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    Default Microbes in Nutrition

    Ok... would sombody please come foward with this easy answer????
    lol....

    How do we get a balance of microbial community within the hive.

    I feel this is our most unanswer question in the beekeeping industry today and the answer to nosema and a few others problems were all having.
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    Default Re: Microbes in Nutrition

    Ok... would sombody please come foward with this easy answer????
    lol....
    Could the easy answer possibly lie in your pollen patties???


    Corrective treatment for microbial activity has done amazing things to dairy cattle, specifically cattle that receive antibiotic therapy(terramycin anyone?). It is an often overlooked area of health as it cannot be seen by the naked eye.
    I got into bees thinking that genetics and correct nutrition were the two most underutalised tools in the trade. I've seen what having the correct combination of both can do to animals. It is the difference between thrive and just survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cow pollinater View Post
    Could the easy answer possibly lie in your pollen patties???
    It is the difference between thrive and just survive.
    You know CP, I call the surviving stock, are the beekeepers that buy bees from the thriving stock. lol... thats for the boys in sc Texas.

    But, I do strongly believe that Nutrition plays a major... major role.

    It seems in the bee industry that we trail all ag fields in the nutrition field. Why are we as an industry so far behind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post

    It seems in the bee industry that we trail all ag fields in the nutrition field. Why are we as an industry so far behind?
    I suspect it's because much of the "feeding" that bees do is on their own and beyond our control, rather than pasturing feedlot-ing and baled feed that is the bulk of intake for other types of livestock.

    In other animals, humans included, a "balanced" gut flora varies hugely based on diet, health, age, environment and a lot of other factors. An example is the recommendation to NOT clean a baby's pacifier by putting it in your mouth... if you don't do this, the inoculation with tooth decay organisms can be delayed by years. If you routinely bite through fishing line, you'll not only wear a groove in your tooth but be exposed to different microorganisms than someone who does not.

    I would speculate that is bees forage on varied sources, have an underlying adequate nutritive base and are not exposed (deliberately or incidentally) to substances that degrade gut flora, they should be in good shape. But it will be different than a colony a county or a state away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben Brewcat View Post
    I suspect it's because much of the "feeding" that bees do is on their own and beyond our control,
    Ben, that is so very true, But how about when it come to feeds, we know very little what we actually need other than proteins,fats, pH level & were still learning that part.

    What about Antibiotic's that CP mentioned, or fumagilin that could wipeout any progress that we made, and the part that is frustrating we don't really know how to counter or off set one to the other.
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    Well as far as I know microbial action is mostly important for digestion. Pollen grains are micro encapsulated and apparently highly resistant to degradation. We know ABs can eliminate digestive bacteria in humans. In ag environments limited pollen sources is the norm.

    We are fortunate to have guys like Keith and Randy asking questions and seeking answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    How do we get a balance of microbial community within the hive.
    What is "microbial community"?
    How do you measure "microbial community"?
    What is the proper "balance of microbial community"?

    Is this the pH discussion all over again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Is this the pH discussion all over again?
    Well yes it is, I started that one & this one (sorry). It is also mentioned(pH) in this months ABJ artical on Microbes. If you get the abj Sqkcrk they have had a three part series on this.

    As most of you know I sell pollen sub to other keepers, I think nutrition is the most misunderstood part of the bee world today.

    Some here have talked about lab test of pollen, I have posted that here before. I sure like what I see from this thread.
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    Is this the pH discussion all over again?

    The ph and Richter scale are both logarithmetic and difficult to understand

    Richter scale - Reference Center
    Richter scale, measure of the magnitude of seismic waves from an earthquake, devised in 1935 by the American seismologist Charles F. Richter (19001985). The scale is logarithmic; that is, the amplitude of the waves increases by powers of 10 in relation... more

    The ph scale can be a useful tool in bee nutrition. We may have to add some natural buffers the make the "material' work for the bees.
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    Jester Bee Company has been putting probiotics in their supplement. Does anyone have any experience with their product?

    http://www.jesterbee.com/Beebread.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Beekman View Post
    Jester Bee Company has been putting probiotics in their supplement. Does anyone have any experience with their product?
    I have heard the bees did not eat the stuff, but that was only from one keeper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    ABJ artical on Microbes. If you get the abj Sqkcrk they have had a three part series on this.
    I'll have to get my hands on that issue. I haven't subscribed to the bee mags in a number of years. It cuts down on my recyclables.
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    Well...

    Been adding lactic acid bacteria & bifidobacteria microbes to my sub for testing, ahh heck... if they all go tits up I'll just blame it on CCD.
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    Keith is that the Crazy California Diet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Well...

    Been adding lactic acid bacteria & bifidobacteria microbes to my sub for testing, ahh heck... if they all go tits up I'll just blame it on CCD.
    Any updates? Kill any bees yet?

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