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  1. #1
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    Default 1 1/2 Week Old Split With New Queen???

    Hi Everybody,
    Got a situation that has me stumped.
    About a week and a half ago I did a split. What I had was a hive that absconded, I believe. There were only a hand full of bees left in the hive, I'd say, 75% workers to 25 % drones, no eggs, larvae or capped cells. There were very few capped drone cells. Plenty of stored honey.
    Going to a strong hive I first found the queen and set the frame she was on aside. I then took half the frames and put them in the absconded hive and put a hivetop feeder on and closed it up.
    Today I went into the hive to see if there were any queen cells.
    Lo and behold I see a queen. As pretty as you can imagine.
    So I'm like, Okay, let's look for eggs. Found just a sprinkling of eggs on one frame.
    A couple things got me stumped.
    1. Some cells had one egg deposited on the bottom of the cell, not perfectly centered though, and other cells had two or more attached to the side near the top. I'm thinking Laying Worker, but I don't know. I've been told that new queens sometimes takes a few days to get their laying skills down pat, hince the uncentered eggs, multiple eggs and scattered laying.
    2. The presence of a queen so soon after the split. Unless I missed seeing a queen cell on the frames I took from the donor hive I can't account for where this queen came from. Should be about another week before I can even think about finding a queen yet here she is.
    I plan on going back in sometime during the weekend to see if she improved on her laying skills. Would hate to go back in only to find nothing but capped drone cells.
    Anybody?

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    1) Orginal hive was in swarm condition and you moved a virgin queen to the new hive and she mated.

    2) Old queen is being superceded and you moved the new queen into the split

    3) Had a late queen which overwintered with the cluster and she moved into the split.

    I'm guessing the abscounding bees likely moved back to the orginal hive unless your swarm virgin queen was not alone and she swarmed taking your girls with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joel View Post
    1) Orginal hive was in swarm condition and you moved a virgin queen to the new hive and she mated.

    2) Old queen is being superceded and you moved the new queen into the split

    3) Had a late queen which overwintered with the cluster and she moved into the split.

    I'm guessing the abscounding bees likely moved back to the orginal hive unless your swarm virgin queen was not alone and she swarmed taking your girls with her.
    1) Thought of that. The timing is about right.

    2) Possible but don't think so. Queen in donor hive is less than a year old and there's good egg/brood pattern so she's in great shape.

    3) Never heard of this possibility.

    Methinks the absconding bees are long gone. The neighbor reports a bunch of bees were buzzing around his carport and after a few they flew off. He was expecting them to settle somewhere but they didn't. I don't think they had a queen; there weren't any eggs or capped brood in the hive when I checked on them a couple days later. My understanding is that bees abscond due to adverse conditions and being queenless with no way to make a queen is a very advrese condition.

    My gut tells me everything is fine but stay alert.

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