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    Just got a thing in the mail yesterday. Seems like the local goverment wants there share of my money. Ready to tax my equipment. I didn't even know they taxed equipment. Just aggravates the crap out of me. As much money as I pay out in taxes from income, property tax, sales tax, etc, etc.. Seems like everytime I hope to get ahead someone else has there hand out. GRRR. Anybody up for a tea party.....

    Overtaxed, underpaid, and in debt.
    Gotta love it I guess. Haha

    Matt
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    In Missouri, we pay real estate property taxes and a personal property tax. The personal property tax, for most of us, is our vehicles, trailers, livestock and farm implements. No where are bee hives listed.

    Interestingly, there is a line for computers. I asked the tax collector about that, and she said, "Well, that's for those who use their computers in their business."

    Whew! Think of all the personal computers that could be taxed.

    Is this something new for your area?

    Grant
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    Default Unsecured personal property

    Every year I get a form from the count assessor requiring me to list all of my equipment, machinery, bee supplies, land improvements, livestock, ( including bee colonies ), etc. Ag property statement. Welcome to the real world, Matt!

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    In Texas, bees are Ag. No taxes on bee equipment (or bees).

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    Here is WA we may not be getting screwed yet but it is only a matter of time. We have a governor who in order to get re elected stated that there was not budget deficit, then within weeks of winning we have a 9 billion deficit, she also said no taxes, but yesterday was saying you can only cut so much then you have to increase taxes, however she also said that nobody is spending so a sales tax increase would not close the gap, too many foreclosures to up the property tax and a "sin" tax has diminishing returns, we are being set up for an income tax.
    I would not doubt for one second that if they could figure a way to tax bees, they would. Wonder how hard it would be to pin a tax tab to a bees butt

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    Default Taxes

    Well hobbies are different than businesses.

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    In Colorado you can get a number that tax exempts anything you buy related to farming and ranching. Bees in Colorado are considered livestock and all equipment is considered part of your farm. So no taxes. I love this state.
    Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid. John Wayne

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    Not really sure what this state or my county would do given the chance, local small farmer has 20 acres down in the river valley, he raises pigs, chickens and has bees. He wanted to build a 3 sided shelter and has to submit a mitigation plan because he is in a wetlands area and the county has declared that his land is potential killer whale breeding habitat, you would not believe the hoops the county is running this guy through.

    http://ebeyfarm.blogspot.com/2009/02...ler-whale.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbeekeeping View Post
    Overtaxed, underpaid, and in debt.
    Gotta love it I guess. Haha

    Matt
    How did they come to know that you have bee equipment? Did you get it mail ordered from another state? What do they call the tax? A sales tax? Or what? Is this something you will have to pay each year? It seems like depreciation should balance out any tax you may be required to pay. Perhaps.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    It is a personal property tax. I had an idea I would get one but it still makes me mad. Here the president is talking about wanting to help small businesses. Well let me keep some money so I can expand then.
    Columbia City, Indiana

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    Default Those darn taxes

    Here most of the county property tax revenues go to the schools. Road maintenance, Sheriff, ag dept., etc. We all have to, or rather should, pay our fair share. Thanks for bringing this up Matt, I've noticed people drop this subject like a hot potato when it comes up. We would all like to be exempt!
    How is little Matt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    What do they call the tax? A sales tax? Or what? Is this something you will have to pay each year?
    Sqkcrk did you fill out the survey form that the state of N. Y. sent out last year to list location, # of hives etc. Rumor is that N.Y. intends to start taxing hives also, at least that's what I have heard. They already can tax trees so why not?? They also asked how many queens and nucs you sold, when do you think they will start matching that to you income from bees??

    mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenbeekeeping View Post
    It is a personal property tax. I had an idea I would get one but it still makes me mad. Here the president is talking about wanting to help small businesses. Well let me keep some money so I can expand then.
    PPT? Do you have to pay an annual tax on your household belongings like beds and sofa and appliances? We have property taxes here in NY, but that is on assessed value of house and land, not contents. And we think we have it hard here in NY.
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildbranch2007 View Post
    Sqkcrk did you fill out the survey form that the state of N. Y. sent out last year to list location, # of hives etc. Rumor is that N.Y. intends to start taxing hives also, at least that's what I have heard. They already can tax trees so why not?? They also asked how many queens and nucs you sold, when do you think they will start matching that to you income from bees??

    mike
    I filled out the survey because I wanted an interstate movement permit to be able to take my bees to South Carolina. Interesting to me is that they call it a survey. The part that asked about the nucs and such was from Cornell and I'll be real pissed if Nic Calderone shares that data w/ Ag&Mkts and I get taxed because of it.

    If that happens, maybe I'll establish SC residency and migrate to NY for the summer. Or sell my bees.

    One friend didn't fill out the survey of yards and locations. Recently he received another letter which listed all of his yards and their locations from past registration data. Along w/ that he got the forms and was told to put the data that the Dept. already has into the forms. He didn't. He attatched a letter saying that the data they showed him that they have is complete and accurate and then they sent him another letter telling him that he had to put their data into the forms.

    What a crock.

    How about you? Did you fill out the survey? Why? Why not?
    Mark Berninghausen "That which works, persists."

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    One out of ever three hives we run is for the tax man, unless there is losses, then there is no write off that I am aware of.
    Last edited by Barry; 04-25-2011 at 06:08 AM. Reason: political
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    Let's not go down the "tailgator" route. If we want to complain about taxes in general take it there, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post


    How about you? Did you fill out the survey? Why? Why not?
    I filled it out but I have an excuse, I just moved to N.Y. and I didn't know how thinks work up here
    My partner did also. My guess is it would be too much work for the state compared to the money they would get unless some of the state workers are looking for something to do.

    hope your haveing fun in S.c. mike

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