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    Default Chalk Brood, how to treat?

    I have one group of hives that have some serious chalk brood and I need to treat.

    I have heard rumors that powder Cinnomon on top of brood can help, but have no idea how much to use per hive.
    Also, bleach in syrup can help, I understand, not sure on mix.

    Looking for input and methods

    Thanks, Larry

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    I use two methods:

    1. Re-queen (if I can). Most of my chalk brood is a result of bad genetics.
    2. Bleach, I've added 1 gallon of bleach to 2500 gallons of syrup. (I dont' know what that ratio would be)
    I am holding on to the hope I have inside... Kutless

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    Question Chalk brood?

    Are these Aussie bees?
    Jack

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    I have seen a ratio of 500 to 1; syrup to bleach, used in feed as a general sanitizer. I also know someone who has successfully used 50:50 bleach to water as a spray to clean up active cases. He reported that the day after spray the hives had done major house cleaning with piles of old pupal casings and debris piled up outside the front door. I thought that concentration would kill the bees, but he said they just thoroughly cleaned house and fully recovered from the chalk. I haven't tried it myself, but I have seen that bees can be fairly tolerant of chlorine. Temperature at application may be important in terms of how fast the chlorine volatilizes and how fast the bees dry out. I think he used a light mist and spritzed it on.
    John B Jacob www.oldsolbees.com

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    Default CB

    Bleach in syrup roughly same % as Dennie explained has been touted around here for long time. Never bothered myself though just some requeen and build up then it's gone.
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    Default cinnamon

    I read that Randy Oliver uses lots of cinnamon in his pollen sub. Maybe helps with chalk brood?

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    It will go away on it's own, but I would requeen to avoid it happening again.

    http://www.bushfarms.com/beespests.htm#chalkbrood
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 41y 200h 38yTF

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    Default chalk

    Last summer of course all my aus. queens had bad chalk and once the bees quit carrying out mummies I thought they had worked through it. Well they had cause the didnt have any brood left to make mummies out of. Dryier weather and good nutrition and a nice new queen cure chalk brood.

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    Default new queen

    Hey Larry;
    The consensus is a new queen.

    Ernie
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    Found this study that involved cinnamon oil - sounds like it was effective?. Last year after a Fumigillin-B treatment we had some chalkbrood; cleared up; no further problems, but we did requeen alot.

    http://www.hgsc.bcm.tmc.edu/projects...iew_Chalkb.pdf

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    Thinking that it probably could be related to genetics, but, then, what bee isnt susceptible to chalk brood when put under stressful conditions.

    You mention one group of hives within your operation. I am also assuming your queen program includes all your hives. Not all your hives have a serious enough of a problem to comment on, so I would guess its probably something environmental.
    That is, for some reason that particular yard has come down with the disease. Extra stress perhaps? In a windy spot? Bad water? Shortness of nectar? Poor pollen source?
    Agriculture? Who knows.

    What I think your asking is there a way of relieving the problem withing your yard.
    My best guess would be to provide them with a protein supplement. Maybe set out some water for them,
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
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    Default Chalkbrood

    Some more data from the web:
    http://maarec.psu.edu/pest&disease/slide25.htm

    Chalkbrood Time of Treatment Treatment Material Method of Treatment

    Spring and Summer New queens
    There is no registered chemical treatment for Chalkbrood.

    Maintain strong colonies and requeen with queens from Hygienic stocks.

    Ernie
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    Default Re: Chalkbrood

    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Some more data from the web:
    http://maarec.psu.edu/pest&disease/slide25.htm

    Chalkbrood Time of Treatment Treatment Material Method of Treatment

    Spring and Summer New queens
    There is no registered chemical treatment for Chalkbrood.

    Maintain strong colonies and requeen with queens from Hygienic stocks.

    Ernie
    An interesting take on how to cure chalkbrood.
    make of it what you may,
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-2...prings/7439894

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    Default Re: Chalkbrood

    I usually only see it it in cool, damp spring weather. Warmer weather and good forage clear it up. If they are in a damp place, I would rethink the yard location. If not, Ian's suggestion of addressing their nutritional needs/deficiencies is always a good one.
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    Default Re: Chalkbrood

    Quote Originally Posted by zhiv9 View Post
    I usually only see it it in cool, damp spring weather. Warmer weather and good forage clear it up. If they are in a damp place, I would rethink the yard location. If not, Ian's suggestion of addressing their nutritional needs/deficiencies is always a good one.
    I believe zhiv9 is correctomundo!! One of my hives, this spring, had chalk brood. My most productive hive, of the two I have. EVERYONE told me I should 'replace the queen, it's genetics', then, the hive about a foot away, totally unrelated to the colony with chalk brood, got chalk brood. I trimmed some trees that were providing too much shade, and keeping the area moister, never did replace that queen, and the colonies are fine.

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    Default Re: Chalk Brood, how to treat?

    Bananas help with chalkbrood.

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    Default Re: Chalk Brood, how to treat?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hogback Honey View Post
    I believe zhiv9 is correctomundo!! One of my hives, this spring, had chalk brood. My most productive hive, of the two I have. EVERYONE told me I should 'replace the queen, it's genetics', then, the hive about a foot away, totally unrelated to the colony with chalk brood, got chalk brood. I trimmed some trees that were providing too much shade, and keeping the area moister, never did replace that queen, and the colonies are fine.
    Ya the colony recovered but it is proven genetics lead to their susceptibility.

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    Default Re: Chalk Brood, how to treat?

    Quote Originally Posted by RAK View Post
    Bananas help with chalkbrood.


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    Default Re: Chalk Brood, how to treat?

    Can someone elaborate on this please

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    Default Re: Chalk Brood, how to treat?

    Learned from Dave Miksa. Peel the banana - cut it lengthwise - lay it on the top bars and let the bees clean it up. It's worked for me a couple of times I had clalk

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