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    Default Dead bees from fall queen probs.

    Is it possible this is what happens when a failing queen and an attempt to re-queen goes bad? First queen failed. Second queen laid a few eggs and was superseded. The third queen was from a cell and obviously took several weeks to mate and start laying if she ever did. I will inspect for brood when the weather gets warmer. This hive never had a chance to winter well. Maybe I should have combined. Time will tell.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMcc View Post
    Is it possible this is what happens when a failing queen and an attempt to re-queen goes bad? First queen failed. Second queen laid a few eggs and was superseded. The third queen was from a cell and obviously took several weeks to mate and start laying if she ever did. I will inspect for brood when the weather gets warmer. This hive never had a chance to winter well. Maybe I should have combined. Time will tell.
    Why wait for warmer weather? If they are dead open it up and see what happened.

    Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durandal View Post
    Why wait for warmer weather? If they are dead open it up and see what happened.

    Just curious.
    I popped the top. There are about 3 frames of brood in the top and the bottom deep against the sunny side. They might make it. We will see. Also they were hauling in pollen last week from the alder trees.

    JoeMcc
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    I was once advised to 'take your losses in the fall'. This has proven to be good advice. Although you may be able to nurture a weak hive through the winter, in the spring you'll most likely still have a weak hive. Whatever was going on in the fall that caused problems isn't likely to be solved over winter. And you'll have invested a lot of time and energy that could have been better spent nuturing your strong hives.

    Its not always the best advice....but most of the time it is.
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    That is a lot of dead bees but not what I would consider an abnormal amount of dead bees for normal winter casualties. I have seen a lot more in front of colonies that made it though the winter just fine. Some bees don’t keep as clean of a house as others. They drop their dead bees right out in front instead of hauling them further away. If they are still alive and have brood and stores I think they will be fine.
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    make sure you are feeding them with something... at the very least a sugar cake or something.
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    I agree with Chef...check your stores and make sure they have enough honey. If not feed some sugar or sugar syrup. They may just pull through and be ok. Good luck!
    "My child, eat honey, for it is good." (Proverbs 24:13)

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    I wouldnt even check the stores. Put a sugar cake on and call it good for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chef Isaac View Post
    I wouldnt even check the stores. Put a sugar cake on and call it good for now.
    Theres more honey on this hive than any other hive in the apiary. In fact I just about robbed a couple frames and gave them to the neighbor. Im thinking they will make it through ok. They are about 3 frames wide ...2 hive bodies deep (I assume you would call that 6 frames)...against the sunny side. I suppose I could put some sugar directly above the cluster in case they move up.

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    My hives always look like that at the end of winter. In fact just this w/e it went up to 10 C so I put feeders on the hives and cleared out the inch or so of dead bees that built up on the bottom board stopping the bees from getting out. Before I was even done they started pilling out to make their first "toilet break" since November.

    So yes, I wind up with a sorryful mount of dead bees at the base of each colony.

    BTW I'm up near Ottawa Canada - winter is long and gets freaking cold.

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