I charge $50.00 per hr ! hr min
I charge $50.00 per hr ! hr min
so, could someone post a copy of the contract they use to do cutouts, or maybe send me one via email?
Let's BEE friends
I am not a lawyer. Use the below at your own risk - I assume NO RESPONSIBILITY should you decide to use any or all of the following verbiage.
Constructive criticism is welcome.
AGAIN: YOU assume ALL risk and responsibility should you choose to use any or all of the below verbiage in any contract:
Bee Removal Date__________________
I have been warned that bees sting, and that there will be flying bees during the bee/hive removal process. I agree that [BEEKEEPER'S NAME] shall not be held liable for any stings that occur on the above property.
Significant care will be taken not to create damage other than that required to remove the bees/hive. I understand that accidental damage may occur, and I therefore agree that [BEEKEEPER'S NAME] shall not be held liable for damage that may occur during the bee/hive removal process.
The terms of this agreement are for bee/hive removal only. Once the bees and hive are removed, the Property Owner is responsible for any repairs that may be necessary.
By signing below I agree to the terms of this agreement.
Property Owner ______________________________________ Date______________
Beekeeper ___________________________________________ Date______________
"If it ain't broke, I'll break it!"
BTW, I now charge $100/hr with a $250 minimum. I price most of my jobs by the hour, though I price some jobs (where I have a reasonably good idea how long the job will take) by the job - usually in the $400 - $500 range. When I price a job by the hour, I provide a "cap" so the client knows the maximum the job will cost - usually around $600. I maintain a list of reference clients, and I keep track of all jobs and estimates with both photos and written records.
I provide free honeybee removal estimates, but charge $35 - $50 ($50 for a commercial client) if I show up and the "honeybees" are YJs or some other insect. I explain this clearly beforehand, and talk the client through identification for as long as it takes (so we both feel comfortable) on the phone prior to the estimate.
I service three counties, so I sometimes drive over an hour to get to a job. When all is said and done, I can spend 8 to 9 hours including prep, drive time, bee disposal (hive setup, etc.), and cleanup on a 4 hour job, which works out to $50/hr. Pretty reasonable for the client and for me, in my opinion.
"If it ain't broke, I'll break it!"
Of anyone here who does removals, who does it as a business? Are you insured, bonded or in some way licensed?
I know a lot of people do removals rather informally, but what about taking advantage of the perks of running a small business?
Whatever you charge is up to you.Do not forget to treat them before you bring them home.I have an outyard about 4 miles from my home.
Do not forget to treat them before you bring them home.
Treat them for what? Treat them with what?
Some of my strongest hives going into winter were cutouts I did this summer. The combs got rubber banded into frames, put into boxes, and I brought them home like that. The only treatment they received is a 'smoke treatment' to calm them down during the cutout.
Kokosing Valley Beekeepers meet in MV during the summer. I encourage you to show up. Email firstname.lastname@example.org to get added to the mailing list.
Mites anything else they dont come home with me!
Hello, I thought I would chime in here as a businessman that specializes in the removal of wildlife (including honeybees) from homes.
Just from the sake of pure liability it might be prudent to separate one's bee removal activities from one's personal assets as one litigous client can encumber everything remotely associated with the bee removal operation.
I can not advise on the best course of action as I am not A) an attorney B) an insurance underwriter C) an expert in anything other than the capture and control of wildlife.
Here are some things I do that I hope save me some grief if it should ever hit the fan. My business, Georgia Wildlife Services, Inc is an incorporated sub chapter S corporation filed with the secretary of state in Georgia. This nominally seperates the company assets and activities from my own personal assets and activities. NOTE; any business dealings by myself MUST be conducted as an agent/employee of the corporation even though I am the owner/president/CEO/CFO and secretary of the corporation. The corporate veil must be maintained to provide separation of assets. The corporation also maintains insurance on it's activities for the sole purpose of protecting it's clients from bad actions by the corporation (not as some would believe to protect me). The corporation also requires that all activites and work be in WRITING prior to the start of work performed WITH signatures of acknowledgement by both the client and agent of the corporation.
Again I make no claim to expertise in this area but just tossing this out for your consideration, particularly if one chooses to offer his/her services for a fee. Free service may or may not be covered under the homeowners policy (?invited guest?), I would check on that if I offered no charge services.
Georgia Wildlife Services, Inc
Yes, a 1-minute swarm at arm's reach, no charge, or gas if it's a long drive. If I have to bring a ladder - a $65 donation, or an arrangement where the beekeeper is the temporary employee of the landowner. If it involves removing wood, drywall, stucco, etc., and repairs AND YOU ARE NAMING PRICES, you are contracting without a license. Big, fat penalties in California for that, and not only that, you could be sued. It may also require permits, and some cities have tree codes.
I'm starting a not-for-profit, 501c3 corporation that accepts donations for bee rescue/removal involving structure removal/replacement to keep it legal. If you go the contract route, get your license, your bond, your insurance, and be sure to include equipment loss / damage costs in the boilerplate. It is paying work, it should not be cheap, it should be done correctly. Other people do get stung, and legal issues do pop up.
State contract laws should have an exclusion for beekeepers catching swarms, but I doubt many or any do.
A great book on contracting is titled Smart Business for Small Contractors. The author is a contractor and an attorney.
I do cut outs and price them according to the location of the hive & the difficulty of accessing the hive. Usually a cut out of a wall, roof, etc. & a live removal of the bees will come out to around $450 - $600.
The structure will be repaired back to the original condition & can be painted (if needed) if the homeowner supplies the paint. I ALWAYS use contracts!
Good discussion. Got a lot of ideas. Thanx for posting.
If anyone has a website which contains information about bees, beekeeping or bee removal I thought they might be interested in embedding this YouTube PSA video to encourage people to call a beekeeper instead of an exterminator.
Bees give me a buzz!
...Now that the state has assured me my license is "in the mail" I'll be re-editing all my ads & will have a $100 minimum + fuel surcharge (95% of my calls are from at least 25 minutes away...gas costs money), and I'm also considering adding a $100 AHB/sprayed hive/super-agressive bees surcharge.
I don't/won't charge based on my time "on scene" as I generally like to "take my time" when handling the cut-outs & would feel I was cheating the customer if I were charging by the hour. That said, I WILL charge based on the size/accessibility of the hive; still working out how to do that w/o losing the appearance of professionalism though.... ideas anyone?
I charge $75 plus travel at 50 cents a mile to come out and estimate the problem. If you like my quote I apply the $75 towards the first hour of work and then it is $60 an hour thereafter.
I make sure that they are aware that they may get stung, and that I will not be responsible for any damage done to the building or its plumbing/electrical systems nor will I be held accountable for any damages if these systems should catch something on fire or in the event of water damage. Further more I make it clear that they are responsible to ensure that all the honey is cleaned out before they have a contractor repair the structure. I do my best to be very careful when removing building materials and I get all the comb and MOST of the honey out, but if they dont want rodent or insect problems in the future, they really need to wash down the area after I leave...
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I'm flexible. If it is a local, "shake 'em into the box and walk off" swarm, there is no charge. I think this is a good policy because it builds goodwill and a positive image of beekeepers in general among the community. To me, having a good reputation is worth more than the money I would charge for such a simple job.
Pest control in my area charges $100 to kill a hive, so that's pretty much my minimum. It has to be a fairly simple removal, of a non-residential structure (like a garage, shed, etc), since I won't cut on people's houses. Too much liability for my blood.
I have a "hold harmless" agreement that I have them sign.
The other day I did the first cutout of the year, and did not charge. Reason was, the owner had worked bees before (he was an old retired cowboy who had worked bees in Montana when he wasnt breaking horses), and I loaned him a suit to help me. We did the cutout (removed a sheetrock panel from a garage) and I left all the cleanup and scraping of comb, spraying with killz etc to him.
I wouldn't go get a swarm more than about 15 miles away. Too much chance they will be gone when you arrive.
Since even the simplest cutout is a nasty, sweaty, sticky mess of a job, I think starting at $100 is more than reasonable. If the bees are Africanized, I tell them to call pest control. Having done an Africanized removal, I can't imagine charging less than $500 for it.
Zone 8a at 4300ft. Langstroth. 4 Hives. AHB region.