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  1. #1
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    Default Bad Neighbor problems

    I know ou guys hate this kinda drama but I need some advice.


    I have a single bee hive in my back yard along one wall and severl stacks of unused Hive boxs and stuff stacked there too. (A swarm moved into one of those stacks last summer.) I've enjoyed watching them come and go and do their thing. Recently I've noticed that there was a large number of dead bees around the hive. I thought it was because of the cold spells we have been having off and on here in Phoenix and maybe the lack of food. Then a couple days ago I noticed something on the wall. It was a can of bug spray. The naghbor lady and her son have been straying poison on my bee hive and stored Hive equipment. When I confronted her about it yesterday to get her to stop, all she wanted to do was argue and twist my words around. She believes she has a right to do what ever she wants. She wouldn't agree to stop spraying poison on my stuff or listen to me telling her why she shouldn't do that or that she had no right to do so. She ended up calling the cops thinking that they would do something for her.

    The cop showed up. got her side of the story. Got my side of the story. I was told that technicly I had the right to sue her for any damage she may have caused and that he would tell her to stop spraying my property. he took a report and left. I know this isn't going to stop her. The cop told her che could spray all she wanted on her property. I dont' think she'd care if she got over spray on my side of the wall.

    She's nuts. No, really. She's been fighting with the people on the other side of her since she moved in. She called the cops on them sunday afternoon becaus they were making too much noice and she couldnt' sleep. All they were doing was sitting in their driveway, talking with friends and family and watching their kids play in the front yard. She went out and turned the hose on them. then called the cops to make them be more quiet.

    If she is unhappy, she trys to make the people around her unhappy. I've known her my who life just about. She's my best friends Sister who just bought the house next to me a few months ago. I could write a book about all the drama she as caused with the family over the years.

    Any advice on how to deal with this would be a help. What options I might explore if legal action is required. Yeah. I know. get a layer. Going in with a plan would be a big help too.

    The only proof I have that they poisoned the hive is the can of spray I found and their word that they did it. she admitted it to me when I asked her about it and then again to the cop when he asked her what was going on.

    the hive is still alive but I don't know for how long. from what I've seen and from what she said, they have been spraying out there since at least late October. First I noticed anything was late November.

    If worst comes to worst and I have to sue her, how do you figure the valoue of bees or the extent of the damage. I don't know exactly what got poisoned and how much. Most of the stuff is old med boxs with empty frames. All the frames were in reusable shape when I stacked everything. I threw away all the bad stuff. There was also a stacm of new Large boxes with drawn out frames I got from a friend who had a hive die on him.

    I plan to move the stuff to another part of the yard where it would be harder for her to get to but still, some of those wasp strays shoot 20 feet from the can so it is impossable for me to keep things compleatly out of her reach.

    Seems like I have no choice but to assume everything has been poisoned and not reusable. I dont' think a good scrubbing and a fresh coat of paint would remove the poison.

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    I"m going to answer here and hope I'm not misleading you. If I am someone will come along here and correct my assumption shortly.

    For the most part the spray probally will be contained to the bottom box. I doubt she's brave enough to lift all the lids and spray entirely.

    The half-life on most sprays are relatively short.

    I would definately soap and water scrub the boxes that are empty. I would toss the frames.

    I would try as hard as possible to save the remaining bees.

    And I most definately would look into small claims court. With the police statement that she had sprayed your equiptment, you should be able to get a judgement in your favor for replacement price of bees and equiptment.

    Dollar value unless it was 10 or more hives is not worth a lawyer.

    I would take her to court for no other reason than she thinks she can destroy your property. We aren't talking bees in a tree. We're talking established hive and it would take an idiot to not realize that you are keeping them purposefully.

    this is why I live in the middle of nowhere with no neighbors. wow.. people.
    Charla Hinkle

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    Inventory all of your equipment, price it a 50% of new and take her to small claims court. Get the police report and use the cops as your evidence that she trespassed and admitted destroyed your property.

    Money talks with people like that. Put the screws to her and give her something to be bitter about..................money.

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    Can you move your hives and equipment to the opposite property line? Then she'd have to tresspass across your land to get to the hives. Also, would relocate hives out from under her nose. You might even get a picture of her. That's something. Get a motion activated, night vision camera. Get a pic of her slinking across your lawn at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Can you move your hives and equipment to the opposite property line? Then she'd have to tresspass across your land to get to the hives. Also, would relocate hives out from under her nose. You might even get a picture of her. That's something. Get a motion activated, night vision camera. Get a pic of her slinking across your lawn at night.
    This is what I would do.

    You might also want to put up a no trespassing sign just for good measure.

    I'm not sure I would take her to court right off, seems like it might be a loosing proposition money wise. The other factor is these type of folks are usually not wired right, that is you take her to court then in her mind she going to have to get back at you. They never see what they do as wrong, it's always someone else s fault.

    K

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    1. Move them to the farthest point in your yard from her.
    2. Buy a really good $20.00 Junk Yard Dog.
    3. Video her "inter-acting" with Junk Yard Dog.
    4. Post a link here to video for

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    If she admitted trespassing and vandalizing your property, why didn't you have her arrested? Then again, you're going to have to live with her as a neighbor, until who knows when. And, she's your best-friend's sister? Can't he/she talk some sense into the lady?

    If it was me, based on the circumstances, even though she wins this round - I'd find somewhere else to put the bees - out of town. This could easily escalate into an all-out war with her and her son, and you don't want enemies for neighbors. We had one of those psychos growing up, who'd throw bricks over the fence at us kids (we were 4-6 years old at the time).

    I'm glad I don't have neighbors who aren't 1/2 mile down the road. Nuts.

    MM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Show-me View Post
    Inventory all of your equipment, price it a 50% of new and take her to small claims court.
    Why would you need to price the equipment at 50%? Someone whould have to replace the equipment and it should not be the problem of the owner if it was destroyed by a neighbor. I would expect all to be replaced, loss of honey crop, and compensation for time and aggravation. Then I would let the judge go from there. Money is the only way to get through a twisted mind.
    Michael
    2nd year beek, 3 hives!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryon View Post
    If worst comes to worst and I have to sue her
    Give me a scenario where you would have to sue her. Over a hive or two of bees? Take action, but stay away from the courts.
    Regards, Barry

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    The only bad thing about staying out of court is there would be no paper trail for future events... In legal situations there must be a paper trail or it did not happen. I agree it is best to not get into court battles with neighbors, but when you have someone doing harm to your property and they think they are in the right... they have a problem to begin with and chances are you would have more trouble from these types of people. We had a neighbor that would shoot at us (or in the air) when I was younger. Last year he pulled a gun and held my uncle and I at gun point. When we went to court.. The DA said since there was no documentation on the other events, it was as if they did not happen. Which my word did hold some weight with the judge. Now I'm not saying someone killing bees is the same as holding someone at gun point, but the legal actions are the same. BTW I have had no more trouble with my neighbors since.
    Michael
    2nd year beek, 3 hives!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docking View Post
    The only bad thing about staying out of court is there would be no paper trail for future events...
    There is a paper trail - his neighbor called the cops (the gall - she was in the wrong, and she called the cops?). Anyway, there's a police report.

    Avoid any confrontation with this woman. Sounds like she is not the sharpest blade in the drawer, one brick short of a load, not the brightest bulb in the pack...

    MM

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    that is true, there is a report. and that will help you when you have trouble.. I guess I was more refering to other people who have trouble with this person. polioce reports don't follow people's record, they just stay at the station unless someone has the report number to recall it. You are right to avoid this person since you have a report. I just have a peeve with people destroying property and getting away with it... have probs being forced to do something I don't want to do because of stupidity
    Michael
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    It's a tough call. Obviously, there's no reasoning with this person, but I don't think I'd just do nothing. Why would you have to sue? Wouldn't what she did be considered a criminal act? trespassing, destruction of property? As far as the values of equipment, I would consider it worth more than the cost of new equipment. You have bees and brood, possibly stored honey, and drawn out frames. How much is an established hive worth? Loss of income if you sell honey? I'd at least get a copy of the police report, maybe move your hives to the far side like Mike suggested, although some ordinances limit how close you can be to other properties. This person is a psycho who hopefully doesn't own any guns.

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    First, I would not ask someone who has nothing to lose for advice. Most likely you will get advice that is going to cost you in some way. The way I would handle a situation like this is to avoid the problem source and then be creative and put the bees in or around something so the neighbor doesn't know they are there. Final satisfaction will be yours with minimum of grief. Neighbor cant argue alone.

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    Default Nut Case!

    Had about the same deal happen to us a few years back.
    Had a yard next to the edge of town for years & this " Nut Case " tried to hire another beek friend to poision the entire yard.
    For an whopping $50 bucks no less.
    At the time I believe ther were a dozen hives or so in the yard 200 yards from her house.
    She was upset that the bees woud use her bird bath to drink & scare the birds away & then they cound not watch them drink.
    The following day I went to the city attorney & the county sheriff to explain the story.
    They called the person who was contacted to posion the bees to confirm the story.
    Told the sheriff to sit back a couple of blocks & watch me as I went to her place to confront her.
    Yes she was a nut case.
    I walked back to the bird bath ( that had birds drinking from it ) & allowed a couple of bees to climb on to my slightly sweetened hand & then walked to the house to show her how tame the bees were.
    She freeked just as the sheriff drove into the drive way to see as to what was going on.
    Her husband was at the local coffee shop and had made the mistake of gloating as to what he & his wife had done.
    Long story short this retired couple did not last to much longer in town after I went to all the city fathers to tell the story.
    My advice is toget the city attorney involved.
    Go over the police report with him or her & contact your nut case as to what type of
    monetary damages you are looking at.
    Yes it a scare tatic but the bottom line is unless this person moves out & away from you as my nut case did your going to have to live with her as a neighbor.
    And unless the scare works & she does a 180, well good luck.

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    Assuming nut-jobs like this are not easily deterred by lawsuits - how about these options.

    I understand that with a range of 20 feet you'll have a hard time getting your hives far enough away. Any chance you could build a small barrier, say 10 feet in front of your hives so that she'd be forced to spray at such an angle that she will not be able to reach your hives? A fence, a hedge, or perhaps a mirror so she can see her own hateful face?

    Also, be sure to face the hive entrance AWAY from where she can spray. While spraying the back of the woodenware is not good, it won't be nearly as deadly as spraying the entrance.

    What about motion detector lights that will trigger if she approaches the fence at night. I think that's a good idea - bees or not! You can also get a motion detector sprinkler - not sure, perhaps in a pet catalogue. Designed to keep animals out of certain areas. You can't set it to spray her on her property - legally, but I'd set one up to go off if she trespassed onto your property, which she seems to have already done.

    Do you have a flat roof on your house that she cannot reach or perhaps cannot see? Could you put your hive there? I know it would be a pain to go up and down a ladder, but you could tie honey supers to a rope and lower them down. Make sure the roof will bear the weight of the hives and yourself too.

    Ever think of giving her honey from the bug spray hive?! Just kidding.

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    12 + Bird shot...... j/k, you ever thought about some AHB'S? Sorry had to add that too. I would send her certified letter requesting Money for damage. Then if all all else fails go to Magistrate court. Would probely be enough to scare her. Make sure you can legally keep bees in your area. Also you might want to get the other neighbors involved and on your side.............. Oh, and you can fine some fine PitBulls at the pound........

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    According to one site I googled, in Arizona it is "a Class 6 felony to apply pesticides on property you do not own without an SPCC license." I suggest you read here then contact the county attorney and the attorney general for relief.
    http://www.sb.state.az.us/

    32-2327. Injunctive relief
    In addition to all other remedies, the acting director, either through the attorney general or
    the county attorney, may apply to the appropriate court for an order enjoining any act or
    practice that appears to constitute a violation of this chapter or rules adopted pursuant to
    this chapter. On a proper showing, a temporary restraining order, a preliminary injunction
    or a permanent injunction shall be granted without bond.

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    Get a dedicated notebook and write down every incident. Times, dates, details. May come in handy later, and you will not be able to remember.

    I, too, have a nut-case neighbor, who does not seem to understand the meaning of "private property" unless it's his. He runs his ATV through my property, but yells at me for trailering my boat past his house (on a public road). Thank God he has not found my hives yet, but it's only a matter of time. He works with pesticides at the local nursery and scares me.

    Keep us posted on your "nut case neighbor." I may have to take a lesson from your experiences.
    “The keeping of bees is like the direction of sunbeams.” -Henry David Thoreau

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    Default Let Her Face the Consequences of Her Actions

    Your neighbor sounds mildly to moderately mentally ill, a variety of anti-social disorder or worse to some degree. I would take her to small claims court. There will be little if any expense on your part as you will be representing yourself.

    Some of the best advice I got in my 30 year career in law enforcement was from a pychiatric nurse. She said mentally ill people must experience the consequences of their actions. If they are out in society, then they have to abide by society's rule. If bad behavior means jail, civil court, or committment, so be it.

    Now having said that, you will probably have an enemy for life who can make life even more miserable for you. But you can't use that fear to avoid dealing with her. It's her choice to engage in anti-social behaviors and she will have to reap the consequences. I've actually seen some great success stories when people are confronted by consequences of bad behavior, and to a large degree, that's what law enforcement is all about.

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