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  1. #1
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    Default Microsoft Expression

    Anyone have a chance to use this program? I used to use Dreamweaver but havent in along time.... now I need to either get back into Dreamweaver or learn Expression.

    Any thoughts?
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    I use it chef, not that I would be the one to turn to for help though. The company that provides the short course on CD that came with the software offers some extended training CD's/DVD's but I don't recall the name of the company name or the cost?
    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill

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    We used it a little and then shelved it. Pretty much just Dreamweaver and hand coding now.

    Good points:

    - Finally did a good job on standards, unlike nearly anything else MS makes
    - Reasonably priced
    - Small footprint on the desktop
    - Well designed hand coding mode with realtime code checking
    - It can render previews that are NOT browser specific so that, theoretically, you don't get stuck developing for a single browser....namely IE...UGGGGhhhh

    Bad points:

    - You need XP, SP2 (we had problems with SP3) and MS Word. We don't use Word and we have a ton of machines that don't run Windows anymore. Too restrictive.
    - The non-browser based rendering engine doesn't work right. Previewing hardly ever displayed the page the way a browser would. The engine did make it easier to develop to a set standard but you ended up having to hand code when you checked across multiple browsers...something that's unwisely ignored by so many developers today.
    - We had problems with slow startup after a while. Never did take the time to figure out why so it might have been something very minor.
    - Session management was tough and there aren't any ancillary products like Contribute.
    - CSS was essentially broken in many areas. Every page we created with a NAV section somewhere would display as an overlap to another page element and had to be fixed manually. This was a real problem for us since the whole initial purpose of CSS was to be able to place elements on a page in a relative relationship to another element without resorting to fixed elements such as tables, etc.
    - No non-MS support. We're WAY past MS stuff now so it became self limiting.

    If you're looking to spend the kind of money that Expression or Dreamweaver costs, I would ask you why? As much as I like cross platform tools, I still recommend a package called FirstPage from Evrsoft. Check it out on their site. I know a lot of people that are now using it. Nice site management, very compliant, familiar to Dreamweaver users, good templates, excellent CSS, built in Javascript interpretors, basic built in tools for things like online photo galleries....lot's of features. Very small footprint and downloadable from the web.

    Hope this helps.
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    Raven:

    Thanks for your help. Right now, I build my web site through godaddy.com and I use their web builder and templates. I find their templates to be somewha restrictive. I am limited with then umber of pages I can upload (right now, it is ten) and then I have to pay more. I hear that if I use an FTP, I can upload more pages. That is the reason for the interest in the switch. What do you think?
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    I don't know about godaddy and a limit. I use FTP for everything when I upload to a web server. Dreamweaver uses an FTP client as their upload protocol but I mostly upload by hand using the command line. I would carefully check the details regarding the upload limit before switching your HTML editor. If godaddy has a limit, it might not be solved by new software. You might want to FileZilla, the open source (and free...and very powerful) FTP client. See if godaddy will take more than ten files using FileZilla. If it does, and you're happy with their web editor, then you've solved the file limit. That only leaves the templates. My experience is that there's no really good templates out there....simply ones that get close to what you had in mind.

    Hope this helps...
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    Chef, what are you using for your store?
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    it is a store front that is offered by godaddy.com.

    I really like godady but I am at a place where I want to expand and if I want to expand through godadys website tonight account, that is going to cost me.

    I just need to get into either dreamweaver or expression or firstpage. I am leaning toward expression cause I have a friend who can get it really cheap and he knows how to use it. I tried fristpage but to be honesy, I am not smart enough to use it without a book.
    Chef Isaac..Culinary Arts and Honey are a sweet mix! http://www.sweetascanbeehoneyfarm.com & http://www.adoptahive.info

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