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    The Imperial Gallon = 4.546L. The US Gallon = 3.79L. And the little used US Dry Gallon = 4.40L. So, BFB, not only are there two different sizes of gallons, there are three. Many of the folks on this Thread are Canadian. They use The Imperial Gallon.
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    Maybe that's why weight is the "standard unit of measurement" for honey.
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    I suspect that the use of weight has more to do with ancient times when volume was not consistent. Than of course you had false weights as well. But when honey was being stored in hand made clay pots unit of volume could not be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cg3 View Post
    Maybe that's why weight is the "standard unit of measurement" for honey.
    Yes, weight, in conjunction with moisture content, is the only true measure of honey. A 1 point variance in moisture content will make a roughly 1% difference in net weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel Y View Post
    I suspect that the use of weight has more to do with ancient times when volume was not consistent. Than of course you had false weights as well. But when honey was being stored in hand made clay pots unit of volume could not be used.
    Having worked w/ Coopers, I know that wooden containers have been standard in size for quite some time. I don't know about Ancient Times, but w/in hundreds of years.
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    The Wikipedia entry for gallon is quite interesting:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon

    Included is a table summarizing the trio of modern gallon standards Mark mentioned, plus a dozen older standards. Keep in mind that if you are collecting taxes (perhaps on alcohol) based on a given volume, there will be intense interest in having a standard that tax collectors and taxpayers alike can reference!

    For instance, there is a 4.35 liter gallon described as "Exchequer (Henry VII, 1497, with rim)". Note the 1497 date. FYI, the Exchequer is a government department of the United Kingdom responsible for the management and collection of taxation and other government revenues.
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    wiki was where I got those measurements from.

    It makes sense to me that if you are going to tax commodities then standard sizes of containers would be a good way to go about doing that.

    A ferkin of beer maybe a different volume from a firkin of some other thing.

    Did y'all know that a skep was a unit of measure too? A skep of coal for instance.
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    Honey Update: from S Kamberg http://www.skamberg.com/

    October 2013

    Every year, the U.S. honey crop sets the tone for the world raw honey market. As the lions share of the 2013 U.S. honey is still coming in, early projections of a better crop than last year are fading away. Although some hot weather at the end of August into September helped add to the honey production pot, the total crop appears to be less than last years crop. The demand for this honey is very high,. Early price projections of 7% to 8% higher than last year for U.S. raw honey are now looking to be more like 10% to 12% higher.

    Subsequent honey crops in the world market will follow the price trend set by U.S honey. The industry is still in a situation of exhausting each world market honey crop as it enters the market. This leaves no carry over honey to fall back on as demand strengthens. Any remnants of honey in the world market are held for higher pricing, usually until the next crop year. As long as demand remains strong, prices will remain firm.

    The issues that plague the honey market seem to be world wide: Extreme weather conditions, Colony Collapse Disorder resulting in fewer bee colonies, and reduced forage area for bees to gather nectar for honey. This has resulted in reduced honey crops, and heavy demand for this honey has increased prices.

    The 2013 Argentina honey crop is sold with the exception of some remnants that are being held for very high prices. The 2014 Argentina honey crop should enter the market in February 2014. This honey will be in high demand by U.S. and European packers. It is too early for price projections for this honey.

    Brazil is producing more and more organic honey which is reducing the volume of the regular crop honey. Organic honey sells at a higher price than the regular honey. Prices for regular Brazilian honey will probably be slightly lower than Argentina honey, but the demand for this honey will be high which could increase prices as we move toward 2014.

    The 2013 Vietnam Light Amber honey crop proved to be better than last years crop in both supply and quality. Europe has entered the Vietnamese honey market increasing the demand for this honey. Prices for this honey remained fairly level early on, but with Europe competing for this honey, prices have increased and less Vietnam honey will enter the U.S. market.

    The 2013 India honey crop is in, and the crop ended up being about average. Demand for this honey is high. Most of the white honey is already sold. The extra light amber and light amber honey is selling quickly, and the prices for this honey have risen.

    Most of the Chinese honey crop was being sold to Europe for the past several years with little legal Chinese honey entering the U.S. market. Europe is now experiencing the pains of purchasing Chinese honey that the U.S felt. Adulteration, substandard quality, and circumvention are rampant. Europe is now shying away from Chinese honey and again focusing on South America for much of their imported honey.

    The demand for honey in the U.S continues to grow with some consumption projections exceeding 450 million lbs. The U.S. imported over 300 million lbs. of raw honey last year. With the average production of U. S. honey dropping from 200 million lbs. in 2002 down to about 160 million lbs. today, and demand increasing, continued price pressure for both U.S. and imported honey will continue.

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    .....and the Australian Honey crop is expected to be below average due to a long dry season on the mainland and an extended wet season in Tasmania

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    Im hearing reports of good grain crop conditions in Australia, enough so that the price of wheat remains soft. Usually when there is good grain growing conditions there is good honey production conditions.
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    That late August/early September heat yielded very little out this way. Overall, some of the lightest fall hives I have ever seen. I would guess that over 90% of our production came in about a 3 week period in July. If I had a "way back machine" I would just strip and treat my bees starting the first of August.
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    If you ever develop that "way back machine" , Ill be the first to order!
    Our honey crop sounds like it was exact opposite to your Jim. We had very little honey collected all July, and got blasted with honey production in August. Nice moderate honey flow in September to help pack the hives with stores
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Im hearing reports of good grain crop conditions in Australia, enough so that the price of wheat remains soft. Usually when there is good grain growing conditions there is good honey production conditions.
    Not sure about the west but I was travelling outback here and the grain there is lousy. Very dry - 60% of Queensland is critical.

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    Thanks Max!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    That late August/early September heat yielded very little out this way. Overall, some of the lightest fall hives I have ever seen. I would guess that over 90% of our production came in about a 3 week period in July. If I had a "way back machine" I would just strip and treat my bees starting the first of August.
    jim this year i did just that. and i couldnt be more pleased with how my hives look now. heavy as heck and jam packed in a double. fed them 3 gallons sucrose and 5lbs sub. got my early treatment on first week of august. and did the ox dribble last week. hope im set for winter. things sure look and feel a million times better this fall then last. thanks to all the good advice from the "pros"!!!

    also i agree the honey came in fast and short\ mostly basswood. sold 38 drums for 2.15 a lb. no complaints here. i guess ill be around for another year!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnbeekeeper View Post
    jim this year i did just that. and i couldnt be more pleased with how my hives look now. heavy ass heck and jam packed in a double. fed them 3 gallons sucrose and 5lbs sub. got my early treatment on first week of august. and did the ox dribble last week. hope im set for winter. things sure look and feel a million times better this fall then last. thanks to all the good advice from the "pros"!!!

    also i agree the honey came in fast and short\ mostly basswood. sold 38 drums for 2.15 a lb. no complaints here. i guess ill be around for another year!!
    Glad to hear it. Wish I could say I was one of the "pros" dishing out the good advice but I kept thinking I could see green in the purple alfalfa and we ended up spending the past month hauling in a bunch of empty boxes. August mite treatments are like gold in this business but like my signature says.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim lyon View Post
    Glad to hear it. Wish I could say I was one of the "pros" dishing out the good advice but I kept thinking I could see green in the purple alfalfa and we ended up spending the past month hauling in a bunch of empty boxes. August mite treatments are like gold in this business but like my signature says.......
    sorry to hear that jim. nothing sucks more than bringing home empty supers. unless they are empty brood chambers i guess....

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    The English (Imperial) gallon is not the same as a USA Gallon. To convert from USA Gallon to an Imperial Gallon multiply by 0.8327. So, that means a 44gal (imperial) drum could hold 52.84 USA Gallons, guess the USA equivalent drum would be 55gal....

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    "Yeah, everybody knows that."
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    My drums are 45 gallon up here

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