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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor Mansell View Post
    So how did Megabee make out when compared to yours?
    Trevor,

    Megabee was the only one that surpassed my own patty in the protein by 1.25%.

    On the fat profile... Keith's came in at 9.04% & Megabee came in at 1.09%.

    Only MegaBee had me beat by 1.25% in protein, other than that I beat all of them on the protein & Fat profiles.

    Trevor, I'm working on the 1.25%.

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    Come on Louie,you now all of your fans out here on bee source are sitting back with a pen and a piece of paper.lol.

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    Big Grin

    Well heck... I was hoping a pen & Check Book.
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 03:46 PM.

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    Default Whey Protein 80% or 90%

    Kieth,
    Here is a suggestion to bump your protein up:
    Whey Protein 80% or 90%

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    I need some thoughts on the whey protein as a constiuent of my pollen patties.
    it seems to be a good high quality nutritional item.

    http://www.bulkfoods.com/health.asp?referrer=goobreyea

    http://www.bulkfoods.com/whey_protein_concentrate.htm

    I have been trying to locate a source for Torula yeast even though it's expensive.
    Regards,
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    Kieth,
    Here is a suggestion to bump your protein up:
    Whey Protein 80% or 90%
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries
    Thanks Ernie,

    The problem with this is you have a narrow range, ie, profile with 80 or 90% of a product.

    I try to use no less than three or four products to obtain a certain group.

    Take protein or fat, if you had only one or two protein ingredients what would your amino acid profile look like... compare to a four ingredient protein profile.

    It's like a mono crop pollen vs a variety of pollen crops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    I have been trying to locate a source for Torula yeast even though it's expensive.
    talk to these guys about torula yeast http://www.calspraydry.com/Index01.htm RDY-B
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 03:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Trevor,

    Megabee was the only one that surpassed my own patty in the protein by 1.25%.
    Without asking your formula , what do you use for protein?
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 03:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post

    On the fat profile... Keith's came in at 9.04% & Megabee came in at 1.09%.

    Only MegaBee had me beat by 1.25% in protein, other than that I beat all of them on the protein & Fat profiles.

    I can see it now, with all that fat Keith will be the first beekeeper to have to add Lipitor to his mix
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 03:49 PM.
    Ted

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    Default Formulating Rations With the Pearson Square

    This may be of some help.
    Last summer I found a web site that was set up with an excel spread sheet with math formulas for calculating the ingredients in pollen patties. I don't know if it was your material.
    Formulating Rations With the Pearson Square

    http://www.ext.colostate.edu/PUBS/LIVESTK/01618.html

    http://prechel.net/formula/pearson.htm
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    Default 38% To 39%

    http://www.prechel.net/formula/pearson.htm

    1952.380 pounds of a 38% ration can be moved up to 39% by adding 47.61 pounds of an 80% protein source for a total of 2,000 pounds.

    or, 97.619 pounds + 2.38 = 100 pounds

    Now we have the problem of making a homogenous mixture.
    Well, it was a .
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    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    From your tests, can you recommend one brand or another for us small beekeepers buying retail?
    My panties are in a bunch until I find out....
    i'm buying bee-pro in fifty # bags from mann lake. i chose them because they are the closest outlet and i'm in there twice a year. i add some collected pollen, hbh and canola oil.
    my bees aren't in a feed lot so they aren't depending on the patties and hopefully just getting stimulated and fat.
    i do trap pollen in the spring and sell it for $20 a pound so giveing them the supplement at $1 a pound seems fair on my end.
    all that is gold does not glitter

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    I have been trying to locate a source for Torula yeast even though it's expensive.
    Regards,
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries[/QUOTE]



    Ernie,

    Allen Dick knows where to find Torula.
    www.honeybeeworld.com

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    Ernie,

    Here's a couple pics, the small short barrel is the #200 size that I sell.

    Two thousand pounds is whats on the truck, a days work for one man.The cart is use to get the product to the hives,back up the cart to the truck bed,dump the product on the cart and pull it to the hives.

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2451.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2452.jpg

    Tomarrow I hope to talk my wife into taking pic's for you guys so you can see how easy it works.

    Keith

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    Lightbulb

    Ok, one last round of pics.

    This first group is unloading from tubs to cart, This BTW, all took less than three minutes!

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2454.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2456.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2460.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2463.jpg

    So then you have the product at the hives, powder the sub, which is underneath the cart, chop to size amount & get-er-done.

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2474.jpg

    If you go the bottom method, #2000 a day, if you crack your down somewhere around #1250.

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    Great pics Keith,even with a crew that cart would save alot of muscles.

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    hey keith when feeding that much pollen do you get SHB problems? do you treat for them? Nick

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    Nick,

    We don't have that problem here. Gee, did I just say that......

    I have never seen a SHB so maybe someone else could chime in as I'm not the right keeper to answer that question.
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 03:51 PM.

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    Default Keith

    Dawg:

    What you do with those three stories? Feed em up and pull a box of bees and brood in Feb? Good for you if you do. Wish I was still that young!

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    Big Grin

    Well, in late January I try to make sure they can pass the four frame minimun.

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_1431.jpg
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 03:51 PM.

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