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    Default Pollen sub & what's really in it

    Been doing lab testing this past month and was surprized by the results and findings.

    I tested the four major pollen sub manufactors on the market today, this was in patty form just as the bees would eat, this WAS NOT IN DRY FORM.

    I compared them to mine. The main was the "FAT & PROTEIN" profiles.

    Keith's patty has : FAT, over 9% & PROTEIN, over 16% .

    There is still much to learn & test, if we take the bee pollen, it has many different parts to it.

    Only one patty had more protein than mine with a differance of 1.25 % but was lower in the fat by 8%.

    The rest fell way short in at least one of the catigories.

    Then you have suppliers (manufactures) saying how they have more protein and they give you a chart using Brewers Yeast, Feedbee,BeePro ect... We should be comparing finished product, ie, what the bees eat.

    This, BTW, is all percent of DRY WEIGHT, I tested theirs in the one pound patty form that they sell, the protein content was a little over 10% & there fat was less than half of mine.

    Again, I tested all in patty form just as the bees eat it, anything less is insignificant!

    Hold on.... OK, go ahead, I'm under the bus now .

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    Default Pollen sub

    Thank you for the information!
    We are considering making our own patties or going to another source.
    What were the lab fees for the testing?
    Good research on pollen patties is not easily obtained and here you provide it at no cost.

    Regards,
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries
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    We make all our own. The ingredients are better, fresher and I know exactly what is in them. Bees seem to take them well...so well they take the winter off...go figure...just like some beeks I know.

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    If your not selling them would you mind sharing your recipe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishdude123 View Post
    If your not selling them would you mind sharing your recipe?
    Fish,
    I sell it in bulk, Calif location only.

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    Darn, doesn't help me in the least. I am too small and far away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    We make all our own. The ingredients are better, fresher .
    Alpha, how do you know this? How much protein, fat is in your patty?

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    Ernie,

    Here's a couple pics, the small short barrel is the #200 size that I sell.

    Two thousand pounds is whats on the truck, a days work for one man.The cart is use to get the product to the hives,back up the cart to the truck bed,dump the product on the cart and pull it to the hives.

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2451.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2452.jpg

    Tomarrow I hope to talk my wife into taking pic's for you guys so you can see how easy it works.

    Keith

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    Lightbulb

    Ok, one last round of pics.

    This first group is unloading from tubs to cart, This BTW, all took less than three minutes!

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2454.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2456.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2460.jpg

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2463.jpg

    So then you have the product at the hives, powder the sub, which is underneath the cart, chop to size amount & get-er-done.

    http://s148.photobucket.com/albums/s...t=100_2474.jpg

    If you go the bottom method, #2000 a day, if you crack your down somewhere around #1250.

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    Great pics Keith,even with a crew that cart would save alot of muscles.

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    hey keith when feeding that much pollen do you get SHB problems? do you treat for them? Nick

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Hold on.... OK, go ahead, I'm under the bus now .
    LOL.. Have you not gotten out from under that bus yet?
    Chuck Norris has a grizzly bear carpet in his room. The bear isn't dead it is just afraid to move.

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    Big Grin

    Quote Originally Posted by Derek1 View Post
    LOL.. Have you not gotten out from under that bus yet?
    NO... Still waiting for Bjorn & Chef Isaac. I don't know what there doing..... They should have that 50 cal loaded by now.

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    was Megabee one of those tested?
    Ted

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    Default I don't get it

    Why is Keith getting his panties tested?

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    Default I don't get it

    Did you mean patties?
    Ernie
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwT View Post
    was Megabee one of those tested?
    Yes.

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    So how did Megabee make out when compared to yours?
    Last edited by Barry; 02-28-2011 at 02:45 PM.

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    Default pollen supplement

    thanx for bringing up this topic. feedbee has been doing a big promotion campaign down here in new zealand and i am into my 2nd year of using it. nonetheless i am struggling to see results better than my home brewed soya flour based patties of days gone by.

    the feedbee people are very elusive about the actual composition of their product. can someone please elaborate. afterall i'd like to be able to make an "informed" choice.

    cheers,

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    Keith , where do you send off your patties to get tested?

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