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    Big Grin 'Don't feed thymolated syrup before using Apiguard. Apiguard causes robbing!

    I have been feeding thymolated syrup and I noticed that when I drove into the yard that the bees were searching all over my truck. I had placed a small piece of the aluminum sided cardboard with a small amount of Apiguard on it from the last application that was thrown out the entrance by the bees. At first I dismissed the observation. I thought to myself about why would the bees be attracted to my foam coffee cup? I counted over 27 bees in the cup. I had tossed the Apiguard cardboard into the cup. It was onley about one square inch in size.
    Two days later I opened an Apiguard tub to apply a 1/2 dose to a single brood chamber hive and a double hive. The robber bees did not become attracted to the tub untile I removed the shrink wrap and lid. :mad: Then all purgatory broke lose! The robbing bees landed on the top of the Apiguard as I was mixing it as per instructions and piled up about an inch deep around the bottom of the tub!
    The next morning I checked to see how the 1/2 dose was working as I did not want the bees to abscond and the robbing was furious all around the single and the double. Both hives had entrances reduced to one inch to prevent robbing
    It's obvious that the robber bees became conditioned to seek a free meal by the smell of thymol.
    I have a queen mating nuc yard within 50' of the robbing and they were unscathed!.
    I hope this helps to inform you about Apiguard and thymolated syrup.
    Regards,
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries
    Last edited by BEES4U; 09-17-2008 at 06:49 AM. Reason: DATA
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    Quote Originally Posted by BEES4U View Post
    It's obvious that the robber bees became conditioned to seek a free meal by the smell of thymol.
    Having used Apiguard in about a hundred hives over the last couple of seasons I havn't ever seen anything like you did. I believe that you're probably right that it is some sort of conditioning. Do you have any thoughts as to how that conditioning might have occurred?
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by beemandan View Post
    Do you have any thoughts as to how that conditioning might have occurred?
    I think I do know the answer to my own question. I just didn't read the original post closely enough.
    Dan www.boogerhillbee.com
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    I also see how the conditioning of the bees to associate feed with the smell of thymol was the real factor. I'm just wondering how you can title a post "apiguard causes robbing". Apiguard had nothing to do with "why" the bees robbed. And to the casual reader, its the headline that stands out, and perhaps will view this thread with negative views towards the product apiguard.

    "Thymol conditioning causes robbing" perhaps is a bit more the truth.
    Last edited by BjornBee; 09-16-2008 at 11:03 AM.

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    Default you are sitting on a gold mine!

    So now start moving from thymolated syrup to syrup mixed with various types of explosives.

    Then sell them to the department of homeland security for $10,000 per hive....

    Shucks...don't need tasers to take the terrorists down! How about 1000 bees?



    It is all fascinating, nonetheless. I applied to all my hive at the same time so that wasn't a problem.

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    Default Do you have any thoughts as to how that conditioning might have occurred?

    The condition response was in the syrup that contained thymol. It was fed in one gallon buckets.
    Ernie
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    So you blame this on Apiguard. Wow. Great slam on the product.

    I see it a different way....but lets just leave it at that.

    So tell me...where did you buy thymolated syrup made by apiguard?

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