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    Default California Apiary Assessments Coming Back?

    From Eric Mussens UC Davis May/June newsletter:
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    Apiary Assessments Again?
    With encouragement from the California Department of Food and Agricul-ture, the California State Beekeepers’ Association’s (CSBA) Executive Board requested that the California Apiary Board be brought out of moth balls and back into action.
    The regulations in the California Agriculture Code that formalize the Apiary Board are still on the books. But, when the beekeepers decided to discontinue paying assessments, the Board became inactive.
    Probably the major reason for re-activating the board is to take financial pressure off the CSBA. For many years CSBA has been conducting the business of the association and funding annual research projects on honey bees from its general funds. Much of that revenue is generated from membership dues and the annual convention auction, as well as profits from the Research Luncheon and individual contributions to the Research Fund.
    Pressures on the budget, especially with the need to hire professional assistance 2
    to deal with the seedless citrus problem, have reduced the amount left for funding research to inadequate levels.
    Implementing a colony assessment on ALL colonies that are resident in the state, or are brought into the state for pollination or honey production reasons, could generate a substantial sum of money for research while leaving funds in the CSBA budget to do other essential things.
    The “re-invigoration” is in the “formative” stages. Adjustments would have to be made to at least the sections of regula-tions dealing with the size of assessment fees and the distribution of those fees among the state and county offices, as well as research funding.
    At the time that the assessments ended, beekeepers were being assessed $0.33 per colony. Since that time, all costs have increased, and so has pollination income. It is likely that the new assessment will be considerably higher than when it ended.
    If you have strong feelings about this topic, or if you have ideas for modifying the text of the regulations (which are going to be changed), then contact CSBA President Jackie Park-Burris and share your ideas. Jackie is available at: jackielynn44@aol.com. The text of the applicable regulations can be found in Sections 29020-29028 and 29030.5-29032 of the California Food and Agriculture Code.
    In my e-mail, today (June 9, 2009), I received the official call for candidates to the Board. If you wish to nominate yourself, or someone else to a Board position, or simply desire further information on the Apiary Program and committee vacancies please contact: Gerald Miller at (916) 651-9449.
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    Any comments or further information on this?

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    Default Asessments

    Well as a resident beekeeper I must file a statement of unsecured personal property, location as of Jan 1, ( bees mach, eqpt suplys ) and pay prop tax accordingly. Same thing or additional asessmts/taxs?

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    This is not the property tax. Its an additional assessment on each hive owned or brought into California.So if it was a dollar per hive(wild guess), a 1000 hive outfit gets to pay $1000 per year. They had this years ago, but i dont think it was too popular.Someone is resurrecting it.
    Anyway, the Mussen newsletter was the first I heard of it. Anyone in CSBA who knows?
    Last edited by loggermike; 09-06-2008 at 10:20 PM. Reason: deleted expletives(kidding)

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    Do you want more govt? When they were inpowered before they made so many unpopular decisions that the beeks ran them off. Example; To stop Treak mites, burn the hives. When they saw African bees coming our way, they disbanded the law so they (CDFA) wouldn't be in charge when the Africans got here.

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    It sounds like another Right Wing Conspiracy to me More Goverment more regulation.Since when did the goverment propose a solution.I think it would be another problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk-o View Post
    It sounds like another Right Wing Conspiracy to me More Goverment more regulation.Since when did the goverment propose a solution.I think it would be another problem.
    kirkobeeo
    Gee Kirk, you've got that right about more gov being a problem not a solution but how many right wing Republicans are there left in the Commifornia Government these days? Last I checked it was something like 25 Democrats to 15 Republicans in the Kalifornia Senate.

    The Terminator doesn't count because based upon the leg he's signed in recent years he actually caususes with the Democrats.

    This is a result of a general trickle down effect....you know which way the poop runs right?

    Commifornia's Legislature in recent years has voted for all kinds of additional spending programs...I know....its hard to believe that Democrats would DO such a thing Then to try to cover the costs they started to jack up taxes....what happened? Lots of people and some businesses have left Commiefornia for places with a lower tax burden.....end result has been decreasing tax revenues for many years.....I recall reading that in a single month back in 2006 state revenues were down over 650 million dollars.....wow!

    So, now that there's not enough money to go 'round, beeks are going to have to pony up and dig into their pockets whether they want to participate or not.
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    Ok its a given that ca is a socialist state run by wackos. But rather than get into a 'tailgater' here, I was wondering about the specifics of this particular fee that is going to be charged on both resident and folks coming here for almond pollination.The specifics being:
    Who is pushing for this?
    Why should I support this?
    How can I stop it if I disagree?
    How much money are they trying to assess?
    Whats in it for me and my bees?
    What happens if I dont pay(penalties)?

    I think JPK1NH sums it up pretty well:
    "So, now that there's not enough money to go 'round, beeks are going to have to pony up and dig into their pockets whether they want to participate or not."

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    Quote Originally Posted by loggermike View Post
    Ok its a given that ca is a socialist state run by wackos.
    And all the while the rest of us thought CA was a socialist state 'populated' by wackos. .....just kidding....sort of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loggermike View Post
    Ok its a given that ca is a socialist state run by wackos. But rather than get into a 'tailgater' here, I was wondering about the specifics of this particular fee that is going to be charged on both resident and folks coming here for almond pollination.The specifics being:
    Who is pushing for this?
    Why should I support this?
    How can I stop it if I disagree?
    How much money are they trying to assess?
    Whats in it for me and my bees?
    What happens if I dont pay(penalties)?

    I think JPK1NH sums it up pretty well:
    "So, now that there's not enough money to go 'round, beeks are going to have to pony up and dig into their pockets whether they want to participate or not."
    Didn't mean to make this a tailgater discussion just to point out the most likely reasons that beeks are going to end up paying more for services they may not/don't want or don't need.
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    The old assessment was for funding AFB inspections primarily in other words something to benefit the beekeeper. The almond board is working on a bee health certification program to assure growers they are getting "healthy" colonies certified before pollination. This may be related to that. Also,even with all of the bees entering and leaving Calif. there is no State issued health certificate available to be had. Could be that other states want some kind of inspect before reentry.

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    [QUOTE=JPK1NH;350823]....you know which way the poop runs right?QUOTE]

    Well, years of involvment with the dairy industry has taught me that mostly poop just splatters. Ever seen the inside of a hive of bees with dysentary? Nasty stuff.

    Given Californias financial state, I'm suprised they are even wasting time trying to convince us we'll get some good out of this. It sounds like a money grab as much as anything else and if it isn't starting out as one it will be by the time they get through with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    You tell'm Cow Patty.
    I've been called much, much worse...I told her she was still in charge of making dinner.
    In my line of work we tell the new guys "don't be scared to get in there and get dirty" but the real pros are the guys that come home clean after a ten hour day.

    My only real point is that when the government steps in, everyone gets crapped on.

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    Default wouldn't be in charge when the Africans got here.

    Quote Originally Posted by jjgbee View Post
    Do you want more govt? When they were inpowered before they made so many unpopular decisions that the beeks ran them off. Example; To stop Treak mites, burn the hives. When they saw African bees coming our way, they disbanded the law so they (CDFA) wouldn't be in charge when the Africans got here.

    Do you meen that you all are that out of date out there?? Them folk have been here a long time now:}:}
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    Hey Tom, Your county registration fee covers the cost of random AFB inspection. The apiary board law was suspended almost 20 years ago. It should not be confused with the Calif. Honey Advisory Board that dealt specificaly with marketing Calif. honey. It was disbanded when Nat. Honey Board started up.

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    FOOD AND AGRICULTURAL CODE SECTION 29020-29028


    29020. There is in the department the Apiary Board, consisting of
    five members appointed by the director. The members of the board
    shall be assessment-paying beekeepers who reside in California and
    who represent the major geographical divisions of the beekeeping
    industry. The director may appoint an additional member on the board
    who shall be a public member.
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    As you can see this will have to be re-written in order to charge the foreigners...I mean out of staters. And if they have to pay, surely they will have some representation-right? I mean we wouldn't just take their money....


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    What I am trying to say here is this:Its possible some of my out of state friends are about to get hit with some substantial new fees in California and this is a 'heads up' .
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    loggermike writes:
    Who is pushing for this?

    mr laury writes: The almond board is working on a bee health certification program to assure growers they are getting "healthy" colonies certified before pollination.

    tecumseh: well there's your answer to that one.

    loggermike then writes:
    Its possible some of my out of state friends are about to get hit with some substantial new fees in California and this is a 'heads up' .

    tecumseh replies: sounds like that is really what is in the works here.... ie a fee designed to tag folks that are not from california.

    at least I see that in california as in bid-ness lovin' texas that this will be pushed as a fee and not a tax.

    and yep that's how it is done here... afterall all those free market lovin' republicans would want to be accused of voting for an increase in taxes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G. Laury View Post
    The old assessment was for funding AFB inspections primarily in other words something to benefit the beekeeper. The almond board is working on a bee health certification program to assure growers they are getting "healthy" colonies certified before pollination. This may be related to that. Also,even with all of the bees entering and leaving Calif. there is no State issued health certificate available to be had. Could be that other states want some kind of inspect before reentry.
    Do you mean to say that California doesn't inspect colonies before they leave the state and they don't issue a Health Certificate? A Health Certificate from the State of Origin is required by California, as it is by South Carolina and New York. So how do colonies shipped to California get back to their state of origin w/out the proper paper work?

    Is it that California doesn't issue Health Certificates on resident colonies, but does on colonies leaving the state? The colonies entering California have already been inspected by the State of Origin, or California wouldn't allow them to enter. Isn't there a quid pro quo relationship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by loggermike View Post
    What I am trying to say here is this:Its possible some of my out of state friends are about to get hit with some substantial new fees in California and this is a 'heads up' .
    ---Mike
    Beekeepers entering SC have to pay a $100.00 fee. Florida may be the same, I'm not sure. Perhaps California is experiencing an overload of work to legally allow exiting of nonresident colonies, so there's going to be a fee charged to pay for the additional help? Who knows.
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    Our county and I guess maybe all counties in Ca charge an annual $10 fee to register all beeyards in the County . I doubt that $10 even covers the cost of stamps to send out the forms, so to do any inspections the money needs to come from somewhere else. California is basically broke right now so maybe this is the only way any kind of services can be had . The queen breeders have to have inspections to ship. Not sure how much inspecting of out of state hives is actually taking place, but if that is required to send them home, then I can see them paying for it. But like Mark says-Who knows.
    Haven' t had a chance to check this out yet ,too busy feeding .I hear Winter is coming this year....

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