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    If you don't listen to the leaders you're a fool!

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    I should know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom G. Laury View Post
    If you don't listen to the leaders you're a fool!
    Advise is to be taken carefully and with a grain of salt.....

    I suspect that the Honeybee industry shares a lot of parallels with Agriculture.

    If you're a small Organic Farmer are the methods that Big Ag uses going to work for you on your crops? Not likely.....but there may be SOME practices that you can benefit from....and vice versa....I'm sure there are practices that small Organic Farmers use that Big Ag could put to good use.

    I'm a newby so at this point I'm pretty much all ears.....I've heard some things from both the commercial beeks and the hobbyists that I'll pick and choose from that sound like they'll work well for me.
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    Well I guess my rope is hooked up.

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    does that mean you are on a lead rope & halter?

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    Dont we all have a halter around our neck.LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPK1NH View Post
    Advise is to be taken carefully and with a grain of salt.....
    .....but there may be SOME practices that you can benefit from....and vice versa....I'm sure there are practices that small Organic Farmers use that Big Ag could put to good use.
    This is very true. One major difference between the commercial and hobbyist is that the hobbyist has the luxury of being able to try things without potentially harming his livelihood. Sometimes the small farmers have the time to experiment and come up with a better way to do things, even if those methods don't always translate onto a larger scale. Commercial beeks need to be much more conservative, only giving up time tested methods when they have something viable to replace them with. Jumping on every band wagon can take you down the road to disaster. The smaller beeks have the ability to vet some of these methods.
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    Where are you guys getting blue shop towels, ours are all red on the east coast!

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    Ahh, an extra strength, blue disposable towel. I need to get some of these, my guys go through the cotton shop towels like toilet paper, especially since we converted the diesel to WVO. I bought a passle of the red cloth ones thinking I can wash them and re-use them (how stupid of me) but the 1st time I hauled a bag up to the house to run a load through the washer my wife, a purple belt in Japanese Karate', took some type of bent leg defensive stance and mumbled something to my son about dialing 911. Now I don't know whether to just burn them or see if I can sneak into a laundrymat late at night.

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    sometimes ya just gota through in the towel RDY-B

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    BjornBee,
    You said it all with perfect clarity in comment #16. The point to which one will lower the bar shows how low they will go with anything they do. Our industry is what we make it be. If we don't care about how we raise our bees for market then we will also go the way the feed lot beef industry went with the mad cow thing.
    When we make bad choises at the bottom end and expect to receive the top end prices for doing it , we only fool ourselves. When we stick to the safe side we cover our own rear's and will not end up as a certain big operator did!
    Even in this time of changing ways of doing our beekeeping we still need to have integrity in making the correct changes that will help the bees and not harm the public with our products at the same time.
    Lee..
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    Default cold turkey

    if you breed from your own stock and don't treat for tracheal, tracheal will be gone cause its quite deadly over winter.


    you work with a resistant bee like Russian and you don't need any nosema or varroa treatments either. russians are very well known to be resistant to tracheal.

    i run 700 colonies and don't bother with any treatments. don't have the time or the money to waste anymore. plus the bonus is my comb is clean and my bees healthy.

    the VSH lines also look promising so there other options out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stangardener View Post
    for me the decision of a goverment, scientist, university etc. doesn't make a thing ok. that can make something leagel or illeagel though.
    i put no faith in the scientific method as i know it.
    Nor should you. The scientific method is specifically design to avoid the pitfalls and assurances offered by faith based belief systems.

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    >>and will not end up as Adee did!

    Wait a minute! So easy to slag large operators. Yet there are so many smaller ones also experiencing the same problems. Care to finger any of these guys? I see it here just as your seeing it there. This isnt a problem of commercial operations, its an industry problem!
    Reading an article in the ABJ yesterday about beekeeping down under. they dont have the same problems we have been facing, THEY DONT HAVE VARROA OR TRACHEAL MITES!!
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    >>and don't bother with any treatments. don't have the time or the money to waste anymore

    I have a neighbour with the same mind set with his beekeeping operation. He lost nearly 80% of his stock last winter. Had to buy in replacement stock. Nearly lost the business over it, he would of if he wasnt on a good honey crop this year sitting on someone elses bees.

    Stock selection and breeding programs are oh so important, I defenatly agree, but I dont believe its advanced enough in it breeding yet to be able to hold an industry on. We will be there, just need more time.
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