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  1. #1
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    Default Honey B Healthy question

    I am looking at using H B H this fall and would like to mix my own. What suggestions for ingrediants would be suggested?

    Plan to mix in syrup and pollen patties.

    Thanks, Larry

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    Syrup - Sugar and water and lemon grass and spearmint oil. You just need a drop of each...too much will drive you out of the kitchen. The bees love it.

    Patties - Brewers yeast, sugar, lemon grass and spearmint oil, citric acid, conola oil and water.

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    Default Is this the Licithin to use in Home Made Honey-B-Healthy?

    Licithin granules. Buy 1 get 2. Buy 2 get 4.

    http://www.puritansale.com/pages/fil...65-_-825055164

    The product seems to be a good price and the appropriate one for the mix.

    I have found two informational resources about the essential oils.
    1.0 One uses speramint oil.
    2.0 One uses wintergreen oil
    I think that I will use the wintergreen oil.
    It's interesting how research is done on the use of the "goodies" in "Honey-B-Healthy". The author does not give the ratios of the "goodies" But, you can buy the product. Is'nt that a conflick of interest in research? You use grant money for the research and then you sell the results. I thought that research was to become public domain!

    Regards,
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries
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    Default Licithin 30 ounce size

    Ernie
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    Good question Bee4u. You may be able to find the ratios if it was funded by public money by filing a freedom of information form to that university or whatever agency supplied the grant money.

    But....in that same light. The government gives billions to pharmaceutical companies for research and when they come up with a drug that works they patent it...so I am not exactly sure how the whole thing works.

    Maybe I will research it more...can't hurt to get a million dollar grant to see what color bees like best.

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    Default here is the research

    http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa/varroa2.htm

    been using this and works great. emulsifier is important and lecthin(sp) works great

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    Smile emulsifier is important and Licthin works great

    Thank you for the information.
    I think that I will order the 30 ounce Licithin manufactured by Pilgram' Pride
    Regards,
    Ernie
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    I have used lemon grass oil and spearmint oil with great success but in reading the research I can't find where it talks about Licithin. Maybe I am missing it. :confused:

    Do you guys use it in patties or syrup?

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    The licithin is to help keep the oils suspended in the water. Without it your oils will float to the top killing bees, its to strong in its pure form. I like the liquid capsules they sell, easier to mix IMO...drug stores ..health food stores

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    Default Liquid Licithin source

    Ernie
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    Hey guy's how will this effect the SHB's. will their larva eat it as well ?

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    Smile like the liquid capsules they sell

    I tried some of the lecithin capsules that I cut the end off and they did not disolve in water very well.
    I think this is a better method of getting the materials together before mixing into water.

    1oo mls of alcohol, add lecithin, add essential oils, add water, mix, add sugar, mix, pour into a 5 gallon plastic gas can, and cap for storage.

    Comments are welcomed.
    Regards,
    Ernie Lucas Apiaries
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    Default Hey guy's how will this effect the SHB's. will their larva eat it as well ?

    I do not have any information about the HBH and the SHB at this time.
    Regards,
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    Default Do you guys use it in patties or syrup?

    I will be using my formula of HBH in sucrose syrup.
    Regards,
    Ernie
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    Ernie;
    Add dry lecithin to water let set over night and in the morning shake and it is mixed.

    Some Health Food Grocery Stores sell it in bulk.
    Dan

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    Default boiling helps

    I bring one quart of water to a boil then add one teaspoon of lecithin and it will mix. Let cool to room temp then pour half in a blender. On the lowest setting blend in oil drop by drop to get your emulsion. When all the oil is added and mixing well add on drop of hand dish soap to keep in emulsified. You need to do the math on the amounts of oil to syrup in your final mix to feed the bees so you do not overwell them.

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    Smile Dry lecithin

    Ishi,
    Thank you for the information on the dry lecithin!

    BTY: When I was at Chico State back in 58 I picked up a booklet about Ishi who was a Modoc Indian. I found the booklet interesting as it described the life of Native American!

    Regards,
    Ernie
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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    Syrup - Sugar and water and lemon grass and spearmint oil. You just need a drop of each...too much will drive you out of the kitchen. The bees love it.

    Patties - Brewers yeast, sugar, lemon grass and spearmint oil, citric acid, conola oil and water.



    To make 5 and 10 lbs. blocks, what are the weights per ingredients.
    Like the sugar, 5lbs. brewers yeast 1/4lbs. and so on ?


    Thanks in advance.

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    Hey Tex,

    I have the measurements for making a 50 lb batch. I will get it to you today..I am not in my office where the "recipe" is. It helps to have a small cement mixer to whip this up. I guess you can cut it in half to make 25 lbs and by 1/4 to make 12.5 batch...which you may be able to do if you have a large mixer.

    I'll get it to you later this evening. Works great...nice healthy fat bees.

    I have never had a problem with getting my lemongrass and spearmint oils to mix...but I may give lecithin a try and see how it works in. Always looking for better ways...

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    Thanks alpha 6.... Fat bees is what we need. And alot of them.

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