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  1. #1
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    Default bee venom therapy

    Question: would you allow someone to come on to your property to take bee venom stings for the treatment of MS . This person doesn't want to take the standard meds to treat for her MS which apparently are very expenisive and says bee venom has really helped her symptoms .That said my wife has apprehensions and can see a law suit just over the hill , the loss of a few bees doesn't bother me sense some bees don't make it back anyway .What is your opinion?

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Heck no..stranger danger😐. No worth the liability..maybe they should consider a licensed clinic for apitherapy.

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Give her a jar of bees, Have her sign a waiver stating you are not responsible for what she does with them. Offer to teach her to keep bees. But I would not dispense treatment unless it was someone very close to me. I am with your wife. We live in a litigious society driven By $$$$$ NEVER risk the slightest exposure to litigation. I have had people try to sue me for all sorts of ridicules things. One guy tried to sue me for allowing him to walk across my property to visit is daughter. He fell one winter and broke his arm. His lawyer said that by allowing him to do so I was warranting that the property was safe for said purpose! He did not win but none the less I had to take my time to defend.

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Give him the bees to do with what he wants when he leaves your property
    A friend of mines father has m s the bees helped for about 2 3 years then it progressed to much but he said it did help for them 2 or 3 years
    Friend tells me take time to stop and smell the roses I say "I do then I take 10 steps quicker to make up for lost time"

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Ironic that a simple request for bee therapy is loaded with hooks. Suppose the patient gets stung in the eye and loses sight in that eye.
    "It's all your fault".
    Internet credibility is an oxymoron

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    I would ABSOLUTELY help them get the bees they need for treatment! My sister in law has MS and I can't convince her to give it a try. The person is probably not going to do the actual bee stings on your property as the stinging should involve the spine for about 10 stings every other day, and then possibly in some joints as well. More than likely, she just needs a small but constant supply of bees.

    For your peace of mind, have her sign a waiver releasing you from any liability. Most patients are happy to do that, and even pay you about $.020 per bee. But please do help out those seeking treatment with BVT.

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    I am in the medical profession, have had a close friends mom do apitherapy, so am not downplaying others concerns for friends/family with MS. With that being said, there are professional apitheray clinics under the direction of an MD in conjunction with other therapies (Occupational / Physical) or medications. I strongly advise against taking part in helping someone operate outside of the standards of medical practice, not only for their well being, but for your liabilities involved.

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Become a mentor and get them started in beekeeping. There will be more than enough stings to cure any ill if it works.

    Stings always swell me up and cause local reactions. I took one in the foot last summer and it still bothers me because of the damage to local tissue from the swelling. I am not a skeptic, just a living testament. Joints on my hands bother me more since I have been getting stung on them than they did before. I try to avoid stings at all costs.

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Been doing BVT for a couple of years. Can't believe how it's helped me. I get stung three days a week, 18-20 stings at a time. Google Pat Wagner for info on and success for her MS.
    All medicine works "most" of the time but cause everybody is NOT just alike some things won't work for some and will for others. YMMV...
    steve
    gonna go suck some of mine up for todays' stinging.

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    Quote Originally Posted by wstokess View Post
    ... but cause everybody is NOT just alike some things won't work for some and will for others. YMMV...
    Yes, for people with an allergy bee venom is no option. So every ongoing beekeeper should make a test before he starts his new hobby.

    Some research links regarding MS and bee venom therapy:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16541972
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24250492
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Clinical_Trial
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17583756
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4549745

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    Default Re: bee venom therapy

    I was kind of wondered about selling "educational bees", smallish quantities of live bees "for educational use only" as part of a local farmers market operation.
    I did not know if that would shield me from medicinal uses gone wrong, & lawyer happy crazies.
    I did see some one offering "therapeutic " bees somewhere on the web tho'.
    CE
    Started summer of 2013, just another new guy, tinkering with bees.

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