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    Default Almond Pollination Factoid

    http://nebraskafarmer.com/index.aspx...35202&fpstid=2

    "Last year was the first time in U.S. history that beekeepers earned more income from moving their hives to California to pollinate almonds than from all the honey produced in the U.S."

    Joe
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    2000 hives to Calf @ 140 ea = $280,000. Minus 2000x $8 for yard in Calf. $16,000 Minus 2 pattie feedings @ 2 bucks ea $4000. Minus trucking 500 hives per truck @ 6k per load. equals $24,000. Shipping back 24k again. Misc. expeses...preps treatments, etc. another 4k. So total profit is about $208,000 or just a little over 100 bucks a hive.

    2000 hives produced 110 lbs average @ 1.35 per lb last year $297,000 minus about 65k in operating expenses $232,000.

    It's close, but honey is still the main money maker...as far as I can tell. It may be different for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    Minus 2 pattie feedings @ 2 bucks ea .
    Alpha are those one or two pound patties?

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    Sure looks good on paper!

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    A factoid is inaccurate or unverified information. I wonder if it's really true.

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    Keith,

    I don't know I wasn't there....hmmmm you may be onto something.

    Family vacation to Calf to check out the status of the hives...8k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffzhear View Post
    A factoid is inaccurate or unverified information. I wonder if it's really true.
    I tend to stick with creditable sources when posting material, and I did with this post also.

    A good way to find out is to ‘read the article‘, and we find that:
    It is a quote from:
    Dr. Marion Ellis, University of Nebraska-Lincoln entomologist.
    http://entomology.unl.edu/faculty/ellis.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    2000 hives to Calf @ 140 ea = $280,000. Minus 2000x $8 for yard in Calf. $16,000 Minus 2 pattie feedings @ 2 bucks ea $4000. Minus trucking 500 hives per truck @ 6k per load. equals $24,000. Shipping back 24k again. Misc. expeses...preps treatments, etc. another 4k. So total profit is about $208,000 or just a little over 100 bucks a hive.

    2000 hives produced 110 lbs average @ 1.35 per lb last year $297,000 minus about 65k in operating expenses $232,000.

    It's close, but honey is still the main money maker...as far as I can tell. It may be different for others.
    Those figures do not include hive losses from the trip out in the fall and over wintering. It also does not include losses from inspectors from the orchard demanding you combine 2 or 3 together to get a minimum 6 to 8 to 10 frames of bees per hive in order for them to pay you for the service. And don't forget hive losses do to the trip back home. And, honey from almonds is bitter so no income from that at all, but what you do get is hive build up from the nectar and pollen.
    “When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world.” – John Muir

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    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    The problem is that in the article they didn't post anything regarding how they obtained the information regarding to "Last year was the first time in U.S. history that beekeepers earned more income from moving their hives to California to pollinate almonds than from all the honey produced in the U.S."
    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    But that wouldn't give an accurate total either because I know many comm. beeks that sell up to 5% of their honey retail and not wholesale so you would have to figure that in.
    Interesting comment, however I do not believe anything you say because you do NOT post anyting about how you obtained that information, especially the 5% comment. WE NEED FACTS AND FIGURES!!! Where did you get the 5% figure?

    Quote Originally Posted by alpha6 View Post
    I am sure that Dr. Ellis is a fine person with outstanding credentials
    I agree, and if you choose not to believe something Dr. Ellis says, then that’s your choice.

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    If anything Nature your figure for costs of a cali trip are to low,so the cali profit would not be nearly as good as the honey.
    It took us a more than a tanker load of feed,plus new pallets ,because of the rules ,countless hours painting boxes, putting bee pallets on top of freight pallets to keep them clean, and away from "rifa" fire ants,and did i say countless hours and weeks of work in a period that would normaly be our relax before the run for the money honey season and other pollination.
    To top it all off, a buddy here, with about the same number of bees made a citrus honey crop which was about the same as my gross almond money.
    The only plus is when or if honey prices go back in the toilet, the pollination is steady, it was a very high stress time, but I will most likely do it again, but I have really ask myself if it's worth it, hey but the boxes look better and we're already ahead with new pallets this year.
    Yep alot of bees went out to the land of fruits and nuts but it's not easy money by no means, as for the statement of almonds vs honey production, I don't know if I so sure about that.
    Where there are fruits and nuts there are beekeepers!!!

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    From what little I've seen it is safe to say that cash flow from pollination is more reliable than nectar flows for honey production.

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