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  1. #1
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    Default Queen can be heard crying, what does this mean?

    I know that they cry when there is another queen challenging her. But we went through the whole hive 4 days ago to clean and check everything. The hive was immaculate. There were no queen cells. And we did find our queen.
    Does anyone know if it's possible the queen 'talks' normally often, even when there is no challenge?

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    Sure,...........the queen 'talks',......all the time to her workers [snicker, snicker] by her pheromones. I don't know about,...crying [sniff, sniff] but I have heard about,..'pipping' queens. Is this what you are hearing? Can you really 'hear' the queen,..........'crying',.............what does it sound like?

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    Here is a faint, but decent example of queen piping at
    11 through 17 seconds in this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_KihPy-s98&feature=related


    The queens most likely to pipe are virgins and mated queens
    that have not yet settled down to laying, such as queens
    still in battery boxes or individual queen cages.

    I have often heard the sound from queens awaiting deployment
    in their traditional place on the dining room sideboard where
    they are provided with drops of water. Mated queens.

    If you are hearing the sound coming from your hive, the easiest
    possible answer is that you have a virgin queen, and the queen
    cell she hatched from has somehow been very quickly torn down,
    or has been knocked off the frame by the beekeeper's removal
    of the frame (look on that bottom board!).

    It is rare, but not impossible for a laying queen to pipe even when
    no other queen is present.

    The claimed "intent" of piping is to intimidate other queens, still in
    cells, to stay in their cells until after the emerged virgin doing the
    piping has left with a swarm. It also tends to make worker bees move
    to a "protective" stance to protect the queens in cells from the
    emerged virgin's potential stinging attempts.

    The interesting thing is that queens pipe using the notes G-sharp
    and A, and are consistently within a few hertz of the exact
    frequency of these human-created musical notes.

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    Question Queen 'Piping'

    Thanks for the response Oldbee. Yes, she is piping. It sounds like a cry. I heard her as I was about to rake beneath the hive. Here is a link to hear for yourself: http://kutikshoney.com/nucs/piping.htm

    It's quite loud if your ear is within a foot of her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandesoils View Post
    Here is a link to hear for yourself: http://kutikshoney.com/nucs/piping.htm
    Where? I couldn't find anywhere.

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    Oh! that's interesting; the sound! I have heard it only a few times. Most recently when the queen was in her little cage and I was about to 'introduce' her to a new hive. I suppose one would need an observation hive and a sound recorder to be sure it's just,.... 'piping' and not crying. Oh well, a good question anyway.

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    Default Queen

    I went there too... cool... I knew they did that but it has been years for me...I am just now getting back into it after 27 years

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    Default Piping Queen reasons

    Thanks Jim! VERY interesting!!
    I'm sure it's possible that something may have happened in the last month that we were unaware of. I sure hope not!! AHB has been found in our town recently. I was hoping that hearing her pipe could mean something other than a take over. There has been an enormous amount of drones flying in and out of the hive recently. They come and go 2-5 at a time. I guess that we need to watch, wait, and hope for the next 5 weeks. In the meantime I will see if we can get a replacement italian queen at this late date. Don't know what else to do. --------------------------------


    [QUOTE=Jim Fischer;335782]
    I have often heard the sound from queens awaiting deployment
    in their traditional place on the dining room sideboard where
    they are provided with drops of water. Mated queens.

    The easiest possible answer is that you have a virgin queen, and the queen
    cell she hatched from has somehow been very quickly torn down,
    or has been knocked off the frame by the beekeeper's removal
    of the frame (look on that bottom board!).

    It is rare, but not impossible for a laying queen to pipe even when
    no other queen is present.

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