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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Use a chinese grafting tool, and graft larvae that have a nice puddle of jelly under them. I've never used yogurt, jelly, or anything to prime. My usual take is 40-45 accepted out of 45 grafted. Rarely do I see anything less than 40.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Mike-
    Do you use homemade wax cups, plastic cups or something else?

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Plastic cups.
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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Plastic

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Plastic

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Dry prime is the best, but yogurt does work. I have tried different flavors, but plain works best. My take rate is higher when no prime is used.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    I am running a side by side test on the same cell bar in the same starter, we will see! I mixed them up on the cell bar for a fair test.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Another "take" on the issue - oviaroles. Gary Reuter (U. of MN.) was saying that in order for queens to make their maximum number of potential oviaroles they needed an uninterrupted supply of royal jelly.
    Perhaps people are in favor of the chinese grafting tool (which makes it easy to transfer the jelly with the larva) because the bees recognize that these larva are well provisioned and accept more of them.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Checked cells, about 90-95% take. This is on all the things tested. Will check and get more details this afternoon as to which royal jelly substitute worked the best.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    I tried Guava yogurt a few years back, also did the banana and peach yogurt, no luck at all. Went back to the plain and all went well. Good luck, I will be looking for the results.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Will have to run more tests, but cells from all methods were accepted.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Royal Jelly Will be far better

    I know the the cell start will remove it and place the proper strength RJ it mainly is for keeping the larva moist but they will consume a small portion before the proper strength is added I know there has to be some ill effect when useing yogurt

    You might not see it, at first but it will show up down the line they may well start your cells but what about after the queen has mated and lays

    I will dry graft before I would use Yogert.
    And I Sure would not want to buy queens that was primeded with yogurt

  13. #33
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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    In Queen Rearing Essentials, Lawrence John Connor recommends using royal jelly or yogurt mixed 1 to 1 with water to make it easier to slide the larva off the grafting tool. He says the nurse bees will eat the yogurt and replace it with royal jelly.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Like said above, larry connor says yogurt is ok, I had just as much success with dry grafts so I may stick with that, or the water drop in the dry months.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    Does anyone know for a fact that the nurse bees will remove the primer royal jelly? Why would someone like Miksa go to the expense of filling up the cups with organic royal jelly if the bees would just remove it? I think I will try dyeing the R.J. to see if it is in fact removed.

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    Default Re: Yogurt Vs. Royal Jelly

    I have checked them 30 or 40 minutes after grafting and they looked like they had sucked it all up don't think the larva ate all of it.

    and if you were to fill the cells half full or fuller they might not remove all of it have not tried it

    But the early studied of grafting and raising queens said they found that the make up of royal jelly feed to larva's that were to become queens was different make up as the larva got older.

    They use to graft then place in a cell starter then after a 24-36 hour period they would carefully remove the larva and re graft a younger larva thinking they would be well fed and become a superior queen but that was not true. There body weight were lighter than a normal grafted larva.

    If you want a well fed queen cell use the Nicot.
    Place the queen in it and keep trace of the time

    Place queen in box to lay then in 3.5 days re check if she laid in it soon after placement and if it did take her 3 or 4 hours to start laying the larva is still under 12 hours old more like 8 hrs old

    Or Place a small area of comb into your breeder hive and let the queen lay in it then after 10-12 hours after placing it into the breeder queen to lay in, remove it and place in a well stocked W/young nurse bee's, queen less and this is the only open frame of brood for them to tend to until graft day 3.25-3.5 (They will be very well fed and easy to pick up on your grafting tool) from day the frame was placed in your BREEDER QUEEN hive to laid in and the larva to be grafted is no more than 6-12 Hours old
    Last edited by Velbert; 02-28-2011 at 03:55 PM. Reason: added

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