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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross View Post
    I can't see anything about it that is significantly different that makes it not kill bees. More information is needed.


    The LENGTH of the inner tube where the bees are trapped is LONGER.

    and the air flow area is larger.

    When you take a given volume of air flow and you spread it out you have a gentle breeze.
    Take that same given volume of air flow and restrict it to a 1" opening and you have suction a lot of it!

    the bees are sucked through the tube and when they are OUT of the tube they are immediatley in a light breeze, they don't wt much so their momentum is not that great and they can easily overcome the force of being thrown.

    The extra lenght, 24" is enough for the bees to slow down, try to regain some "flight" before landing on the bottom of the vac.

    Most bees after inside of the vac will cling to the side of the inner tube where the screen is NOT.

    Controlling your suction speed it also important. I use just enough to get them off of what ever they are hanging on to.
    When your ship comes in, make sure you are willing to unload it.

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    Here are some more pics and some better descriptions I hope.

    This pic was taken at a job I just completed Sat (yesterday)

    The tan painted area was where the hive was. It was pretty big!
    http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g8...g/DSCN7035.jpg

    After you pull up this pic click on it and you'll get a bigger one that you can read the writing in the boxes.
    http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g8...ing/beevac.jpg
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    The sizes of the "sono" tubes or 'concrete' tubes.. hmmm

    there is no industry standard, an 8" tube will come in 3 different sizes....

    I'd get one that is the biggest probably 12" and then an 8" one. Just make sure when you are there that you have an inch or so around the inner one to the outer one maybe a bit more depending on how far you vac stick into the side of the outer one.
    When your ship comes in, make sure you are willing to unload it.

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    I built a quite large screened box for mine, all screen, foam pad at the end, etc. It killed plenty of bees. In fact, it killed bees until I rebuilt it to use very little screen. You see, the bees are stressed by the airflow. They can't cluster well. Give them large areas with no airflow and they will use it and stay away from the small screened area. I'm not buying that it kills no bees. I have too much experience with beevacs. Sorry, but that's my opinion. It may do better than average, but no bees, unh uh.

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    I just bought a bee vac from kellys..Used it this past saturday and not one dead bee. But, I definitely understand why people make their own.
    This one cost over 230$ (with freight..without freight, $198.00) and I bet it can be made for less than 50$ if you dont count labor!
    Regardless of whats ethical or not, I now have a model to copy from, even if the only difference to avoid copyright infringement is to put in all the screws in the main hinge instead of using only half of them, and to use a smooth hose instead of a crinkly one.
    Well, there ya go...

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    I have a length of that white smooth tubing, but it's heavy and not very flexible. Actually I never used it after the first time, it was such a hassle getting it to point where I needed it.
    Bees, brews and fun
    in Lyons, CO

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    Ross-there is more than one way to skin a cat. Got any pics to share?
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    I'll dig some up. I need to change hoses for sure. This was the first generation, and yes, it has a way to control the amount of vacuum. Notice the screened box. I modified it reduce the amount of screened area and it worked a lot better.
    http://www.myoldtools.com/Bees/bee-vac.jpg

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    Default Blammer: what kind of a blower(vac) is that?

    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
    I want to know what kind of a blower(vac) that is.
    Curtis

    Blammer: I would also like to know what kind of a blower(vac) your using, and would you recommend the same to others?

    Your design is great, and I hope you keep us updated on any alterations you may come up with.
    BeeCurious
    Trying to think inside the box...

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    I have central vac hosing on mine, 40 ft of it..... it was exspensive but worth every penny and is as smooth as glass on the inside.

    I don't worry about a few hundred dead bees though as long as most survive.
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    I have a spare one of those. I'll check it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeeCurious View Post
    Blammer: I would also like to know what kind of a blower(vac) your using, and would you recommend the same to others?

    Your design is great, and I hope you keep us updated on any alterations you may come up with.
    Ditto
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    the vac/blower I got was an old Bissel Green Clean machine. I took it apart and took the motor out of it.

    The other motor I have came out of an upright vacuum cleaner, don't know the brand sorry.

    Pretty much any old vacuum cleaner motor will work.
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    Here are some more pics (per request) of the inner tube of the beevac.

    This is a pic of the inner tube upsidedown.



    here is a pic from the bottom of the inner tube looking up towards the top where the hose connects.


    the top of the tube close up, shows the coupling joints I used the top and the suction control.



    Here are just pics of the joints I used .

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    Thanks Blammer, Now I got it....

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    Here is a link to a video of me using the bee vac on my last job.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOh-1iaYgSo
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    great video blammer, to bad people have to spray bees like that and kill them. I might make a bee-vac in the future if i ever need one.

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    That was neat! I know folks who have them and I'm in the middle of building one, but that was neat! Thanks!

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    Ross,

    What would you say would be the ideal amout of screen-area?
    How much screen-area do you have?

    I'm trying to figure out if we're looking at a couple square inches or a square foot or so.
    WayaCoyote

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    I made one, it worked really well, with only a small handful of dead bees. And that was probably more my rough handling then the vacuum itself. I made mine little different, but it is essentially the same. I used the smallest of the shop vacs to provide the section.

    Someday I probably will build one like Iddee's so I can just suck the bugs straight into a hive, but until very recently I lacked the tools to do so. I now have the tools, I just need to work on the skills.


    Keith
    Last edited by Keith Benson; 07-31-2008 at 08:04 AM.
    Bee Sting Honey - So Good, It Hurts!

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