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  1. #1
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    Default Excluder usage question

    I would like to try using an excluder to see how it works for me and would appreciate your feedback.

    Equipment is all 8 frame mediums. If you have 4 meduims on a hive would you place the excluder on top of box 2 or 3?

    I have read somewhere that you can put it on top of 2 box and regularly pull capped brood from 1 and 2, put in 3, replace with comb or foundation. Your thoughts?

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    Why are you wanting to use an excluder?
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    I tried them one time and had no luck with them. If you have more than 1 hive, try putting them on 1 hive and compare the difference.. I could never get then to work in the supers above the excluder. If you do try one, make sure that the queen is below the excluder. Many people use them and have no problems and have good harvests off of their hives but my mentor told me to give her all of the room that she needs and feels that an excluder is a honey reducer. Good luck in what you do. If using all mediums I would give them 3 boxes. Go to M. Bushes site, bushfarms.com and there is a good article on unlimited brood chamber.
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    Default Excluder over plastic foundation

    I have placed metal excluders over hive bodies which have all plastic foundation but come back to inspect after a week or so and find the burr comb which they seem to make in abundance on top of the plastic frames has almost completly plugged the excluder and they have not even drawn out the new super of wood frame / plastic foundation.
    Is this a common problem with plastic foundation ?

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    For my mind there are a great many variables when it comes to the simple issue of the "queen excluder". When you're stuck in the rut of traditional bottom entrances, it is simple to understand why your results with queen excluders doesn't change. In that configuration, the incoming nectar must traverse the brood nest in order to reach the honey supers - once you realize that this trip is unnecessary, you can see that when the primary entrance is between the brood nest (below) and the honey supers (above), with a queen excluder restricting the queen to the brood nest - the incoming nectar only needs to be taken into the brood nest if it is going to be used in the brood nest to raise brood. And, instead of the bees having to cross the brood nest, then the queen excluder, to place incoming nectar in the honey supers, they must pass down through the queen excluder to put nectar into the brood nest. To my mind this is so much more the logical and practical way to use queen excluders. So far, it seems that way for my bees as well.

    Alas, the idea for this use of queen excluders was not my own. But, now that I've tried it and seen how effective it is, I wonder why I never even considered trying it this way before, but I realize that I too was stuck in the rut of the traditional bottom entrance configuration. Now that I have no bottom entrances, I see many more benefits of upper and top entrances than I expected. Having bottom entrances gave access to an army of bee-eating toads, that had, in prior years, decimated the populations of many of my strongest hives - this just doesn't happen anymore. . .

    Here are some links to posts I made about this issue, earlier (you may want to do your own search - there are many discussions of this topic to check out):

    http://beesource.com/forums/showpost...9&postcount=13

    http://beesource.com/forums/showpost...85&postcount=5

    http://beesource.com/forums/showpost...1&postcount=10
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    They also make decent screens for wax & cappings to drip honey out during uncapping, like over a tub or other catch pan. How they work in a hive, I couldn't tell - we do not and have no intention of using them in a hive.

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    Thanks for the opinions. I havn't tried anything yet. I THINK Bjorn's thoughts coincide with what I wanted to accomplish.

    Bjorn,

    Can you give more details on how you use excluders for honey production, splits, etc.

    Thanks

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