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  1. #1
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    Default Walter Kelley frames - why no v-cut?

    I just bought 100 frames, and there are no v-cuts on the edge bars. Is this how they do it now?

    My box of supers--ripped open and the UPS driver handed me a handful of nails and said "I found these on the floor of the truck, I bet they're yours."

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    also I bought the non-wired wax foundation, 100 sheets, and now my father tells me I should have gotten the wired foundation, and that the non-wired wax foundation isn't good for extraction.

    I would be using wire and embedder with the non-wire wax foundations.

    Is this true? Should I return the foundation I bought for wired foundation?

    I'm irritated right now.

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    Just Got Done Nailing Frames From Kellys, Never Had Any Problem On Orders From Them Always Boxed Vey Well, Dont Know About V Cut I Have Some Old Frames With And Without It. I Would Put The Foundation In I Had And Then I Use 024 Mig Welder Wire Laced Through End Holes In Frame. I Have Bees Being Shipped From Them Tomorrow I'll Find Out How Thir Shipping Is On Them, They Have Always Been Quick For Me And Price Is Good

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    Give Kelley Co. a call. They have a new owner and they are changing some designs. I noticed that the front end of their screened bottom boards changed.

    Kelley does have the best frames! I would not be sad to see the "V" end bar go. Commercial beekeepers cannot use Kelley frames because that "V" causes their automatic uncapping machines to jam.

    You do have the wrong foundation for extracting. I use Kelley's thin foundation (no wires) for Ross Round comb honey and Kelley medium wax foundation (no wires) for cut comb honey. What thickness is your foundation? Kelley does have the best wax foundation.

    The best combination for beginners, and one that I use myself, is Kelley's frames with a grooved top bar and grooved bottom bar. I combine that with Mann Lake's "Rite Cell" unwaxed plastic foundation. I add my own beeswax. The beeswax from the factory is not thick enough.

    Once you buy plastic foundation you will never have to buy another piece of foundation. If you own a power sprayer, clean the plastic foundation with the power sprayer and add your own beeswax.

    Good Luck. There is a learning curve in beekeeping, so be patient. Mistakes are just a learning opportunity. I have been keeping bees since 1963 and I am still learning better ways of doing things. My mistakes would fill up a number of garbage cans.

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    Default Walter Kelly Frames-waxing foundation?

    You speak of waxing the plastic foundations. How do you do that. I just bought an apiary kit(Mann Lake) and got the "waxed" plastic foundations. Can or should I add more wax to them. They do seem thin on wax. Also I do have some wire embedded wax foundation I have aquired. Can I remove the plastic and use the wax foundation in its place?
    (My Apricots are blooming!here in NW Missouri!!! yippee )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zane View Post
    You speak of waxing the plastic foundations. How do you do that. I just bought an apiary kit(Mann Lake) and got the "waxed" plastic foundations. Can or should I add more wax to them. They do seem thin on wax. Also I do have some wire embedded wax foundation I have aquired. Can I remove the plastic and use the wax foundation in its place?
    (My Apricots are blooming!here in NW Missouri!!! yippee )
    Do not mix wax foundation and plastic foundation. After the bees draw out the foundation it really does not matter what foundation you used.

    The bees hate plastic foundation. Therefore, add some beeswax, if you have some, to the "waxed" plastic foundation. There is an article in one of the recent bee journals on how to do it. The author used a small roller from Wal-Mart. This method might be too slow for a commercial beekeeper. A commercial beekeeper might dip the plastic foundation into a vat of wax and water. Just be sure to shake the plastic foundation to get some of the wax off. The bees love the extra wax and will draw out the foundation in short order.

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    Smile frames

    i just bought a box of 50 shallow super frames with divided bottom bars today(4/19) and they had the V cut on one side just as always.
    "Wine is a constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy" Ben Franklin

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    One of the boards used for the super was impaled with two nails and had probably two dozen nail holes in it, incurred by movement during shippin and poor packing.

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    Default kelley packaging

    I have bought a lot of items from Kelley and have found their packaging the most secure I have ever seen. the boxes are glued and taped very tightly. as a matter of fact, I find it very hard to open the packages because they are so secure. The only complaint I have is that creepy bee man logo. Part bee, Part man. It reminds me of "THE FLY"
    Tom

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    Default Kelly frames

    I just bought some Kelly frames(to replace my duracell for my nucs) and they had a v-cut on one side. My question is what is this v cut used for? (I assembled a few frames w/ the v on the right instead of left)

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    You always put them on the opposite sides (but the same opposite sides on each frame) so that if you flip a frame it's still the same (like a "Z"). The purpose is to make it easier to get a hive tool between the end bars.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    I find that once I trim 1/16" off each side of the end bars - to have the frames 1-1/4" wide, that the "V" edge is almost obliterated anyways.
    48 years - 50 hives - TF
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    I bought approx 1200 frames from Kelley's back in Feb. I think only 100 of them had the "V" notch on the end bar. Must have been some left over. Apparently they are doing away with it.
    Dan Williamson
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