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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Not to put down your efforts, but what makes any of us think that we can do something like producing a better pollen substitute than what those who make a living doing so can make? Just curious.
    Sqkcrk,

    Well, we have thousands of hives to try out our products on, I call it the thousand hive lab. How better to REALLY find out if something works, that's on a thousand hive test run.

    You here alot about this or that in commercial use. How many have a break down on premixed patties. Not very many,Oh they will tell you what the bag has in it, but we need to know what the patty has in it percent +/-. Are you feeding bags or patties?

    Still alot of fog out there.

    What I do is mix up ten batches of different subs ( that I am trying out premixed patty) and send to the lab for a profile. Then also put them out in the bees as well.

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    Smile Pollen pattie by definition.

    A pollen pattie is pollen and a sugar.

    A pollen substitute is a mixture of various materials to be fed as asbstitute for pollen

    Regards,
    Ernie
    Ernie
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    Smile Well, we have thousands of hives to try out our products on

    This may help with one product sold by Dadant.

    MegaBee (Tm)
    The Tucson Bee Diet
    Honeybee Nutritional Supplement.
    A natural high protein pollen substitute containing mineral, lipids, vitamins and carbihydrates to boost brood production and promote colony health.
    Nutritional analysis
    Protein 46.0 %

    Lipid 3.07 %

    Fiber 13.0 %

    Mixing instructions:
    Patty Mix one part powder by weight + 1.5 parts fructose corn syrup by weight. Let sit overnight and make into patty
    Liquid:
    To make 1 gallon, use 1/2 lb. of diet + 1 gallon of fructose corn syrup. Mix well until the powder goes into solution.
    Manufactured by Castle Dome
    # cd 0708001

    You will notice that there is no brake down of the ration in per centiles
    Well, I tried and that the best that I can do for now.
    BTW: Our bees like both the pre made patties by Mann Lake & Dadant.
    The ball is in your court.
    Regards,
    Ernie
    Lucas Apiaries.
    Ernie
    My websitehttp://bees4u.com/

  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    Honey only contains Fructose.
    Honey

    Typical honey analysis[16]
    The amount of glucose or fructose in honey depends on the nectar source. BTW, I use cane sugar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Jarrett View Post
    Sqkcrk,

    Well, we have thousands of hives to try out our products on, I call it the thousand hive lab. How better to REALLY find out if something works, that's on a thousand hive test run.

    You here alot about this or that in commercial use. How many have a break down on premixed patties. Not very many,Oh they will tell you what the bag has in it, but we need to know what the patty has in it percent +/-. Are you feeding bags or patties?

    Still alot of fog out there.

    What I do is mix up ten batches of different subs ( that I am trying out premixed patty) and send to the lab for a profile. Then also put them out in the bees as well.
    Thanks for the explaination Keith. I'm glad that you can do the experimentation.
    Mark Berninghausen #youmatter

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    Quote Originally Posted by WVbeekeeper View Post
    Honey

    Typical honey analysis[16]
    The amount of glucose or fructose in honey depends on the nectar source. BTW, I use cane sugar.

    I don't consider wikipedia a reputable source. I have gone back and tried to figure out where I got my info from and it appears that I made a leap somewhere....oooops
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sqkcrk View Post
    Thanks for the explaination Keith. I'm glad that you can do the experimentation.
    Sqkcrk,
    Thanks for the kind words.

    I think it's our responsibilities to work for better methods, rather than waiting or hoping that the goverment will come up with something.

    Randy Oliver stop by my shop today to pick up some supplies to test, everything from egg yolk-- to 90% protein powder mixes.

    This all by the way is free for him because Randy is after the same thing I am, and is willing to put out the effort to find better ways.

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    Smile Honey Bee Nutrition And Supplemental Feeding

    fyi
    http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/bkCD/HBBio...upplements.htm



    Honey Bee Biology | Beekeeping Information Index
    Mid-Atlantic Apiculture
    ________________________________________
    Honey Bee Nutrition And Supplemental Feeding
    By: L.N. Standifer 1
    (From Beekeeping in the United States)
    Nutritional Requirements
    Ingestion and Digestion
    Sources and Chemical Composition of the Natural Foods
    Supplementary Feeding of Honey Bee Colonies
    References

    Regards,
    Ernie
    Lucas Apiaries
    Ernie
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    Default sigh

    I started reading this with high hopes, I could almost hear the bees buzzing, smell the nectar curing, maybe I'd learn something about beet sugar, but the thread ended up just making my head hurt. Some are always right, others are always wrong.

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    Smile sigh

    The concept is to provide pollen patties to the bees for building a strong population.

    Use your sugar source and make the bees happy.
    BTY.
    We sre now into a late eucalyptus honey flow.
    Ernie
    Lucas Apiaries
    93010
    Ernie
    My websitehttp://bees4u.com/

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