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    Default Bee Equipment Sketchup Repository

    Hi Guys,

    Anyone use Google's free 3d cad program Sketchup?
    http://sketchup.google.com/

    It's a very easy computer tool to use when designing a new bee project.

    I've accumulated a few Sketchup files from various tbh projects and am making them available on my website. Checkout
    http://www.bwrangler.com/bee/lcom.htm
    http://www.bwrangler.com/bee/tmyt.htm

    You can down load them and then view, rotate, scale or edit them for your own purposes as long as you don't try to sell them.

    I was thinking about building a web based repository for bee related Sketchup files. The front end would be based on a mind map structure which should keep related items linked together and available regardless of the submission date. Maybe a visual format using a minimal text based structure and thumbnails of the files would make for a very simple and intuitive experience while still allowing some text searching.

    The authors would still retain copyright with all rights reserved, but would allow free, private use of the material.

    What do you think? Would it be of value? Anyone willing to contribute their drawings?

    Regards
    Dennis
    I once wrangled bees. But now, knowing better, I just let them bee.
    http://talkingstick.me/category/bees/

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    What application is used to open these files? I tried Photoshop and Illustrator, no go.

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    Well... Sketchup is the application, free download from Google. It's getting quite popular with the woodworkers and many sites now have forums dedicated to it. I know our group at Wood magazine website has a new software forum that is hosting Sketchup tutorials.
    http://community.woodmagazine.com/dg...1-5a16fe2d7c30

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    Quote Originally Posted by BWrangler View Post
    I was thinking about building a web based repository for bee related Sketchup files. The front end would be based on a mind map structure which should keep related items linked together and available regardless of the submission date. Maybe a visual format using a minimal text based structure and thumbnails of the files would make for a very simple and intuitive experience while still allowing some text searching.

    The authors would still retain copyright with all rights reserved, but would allow free, private use of the material.
    Sketchup is an insanely easy tool to use. But why not use Google's repository and just make sure people use appropriate tags; ie: "beehive" "langstroth" "Layens" "Adansonienne" "TBH" "frame" etc... ?
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    Hi Guys,

    If you have used a commercial cad program Sketchup can take some getting use to. You will have to stop thinking like a draftsman and start thinking like a craftsman or an artist. My first impression was that it was a pretty implementation, but somewhat weak. The latest versions are very impressive. I've abandoned my high end cad for Sketchup.

    I looked into Google's 3D Warehouse. And it could use some help filling the bee section. I found about a half dozen relevant entries. But the searching for right tag words wasn't very intuitive. And could have some Language barrier problems.

    Managing the files in a CMS or Wiki should provide a more flexible way to work with them. Revisions, comments, notes and discussion could be associated with them.

    Using a mindmap scheme could make them easy to find.

    I've been looking at wiki and cms software today. Anyone have any suggestions?

    Regards
    Dennis
    I once wrangled bees. But now, knowing better, I just let them bee.
    http://talkingstick.me/category/bees/

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    I model all my work in Sketchup...timstudio.com. Nothing weak about it.

    But I render it in 2D. And, yes I do a bunch of bee-oriented designing with it. Of course, I'm using the pro version, and I'm not sure what the differences are.

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    Thanks B, I'll give it a whirl.

    I imagine it would be easy enough to print the file to a PDF with CutePDF or something of the like.
    "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." Winston Churchill

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    That's a pretty intuitive program. I stopped package design (which involved some CAD) about 7 years ago.

    This program is pretty nice and free.

    I downloaded it at 8:30 AM and with no previous working knowledge of the program did this:

    http://gallery.mac.com/thesw0rdofrol...Medium/web.jpg

    Its now 8:52 AM.

    Not the best Medium box, but the dimensions are right as are the frames rests. I haven't figured out how to do a compound curve. So the single hand hold I designed looks all cookie cutter.

    Ah well. Fun stuff.

    One of the reasons why I love Google.
    Richard
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    i have never used a cad program before but gave sketchup a try.


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    BWrangler,

    That is a sharp looking TBH. I have never seen one quite so finished looking.

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    Hi Nate,

    Great looking deep super. Want to share the file?

    Regards
    Dennis
    I once wrangled bees. But now, knowing better, I just let them bee.
    http://talkingstick.me/category/bees/

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    Hi CSBees,

    Thanks.

    Scaling is a neat function of sketchup. So, if someone likes the design, but not the dimensions, the drawing can quickly be scaled to something more suitable.

    Regards
    Dennis
    I once wrangled bees. But now, knowing better, I just let them bee.
    http://talkingstick.me/category/bees/

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    Is everything drawn proportionately ??
    Or to scale ?
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    Hi Guys,

    The scaling function can work both ways depending upon how components are selected and which handles are pulled.

    And it works on more than just vector lines. Check out the natural broodnest cross section at: www.bwrangler.com/bee/nbro.htm

    Regards
    Dennis
    Last edited by BWrangler; 01-21-2008 at 06:09 PM.
    I once wrangled bees. But now, knowing better, I just let them bee.
    http://talkingstick.me/category/bees/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Focus on Bees View Post
    Is everything drawn proportionately ??
    Or to scale ?
    You draw 1:1 (full scale). You can set units to Metric/Customary (or not not so customary depending on where you're from). If you guys/gals have questions about how to use this program, you can post them, and I can help you out. I use this software almost everyday professionally.

    Most CAD systems are setup for drafting 1:1. Scaling the drawing comes later. In the case of Sketchup, which is more for modeling than drafting, you really don't get scaled drawings. It's more for visualization. It's a great tool to work out the tectonics of things, i.e. how things go together.

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    Well, it had a learning curve, but http://www.voiceofthehive.com/Pictur...ctorSketch.png I like it. Nice for making "How it goes together" plans. (I have so many errors in this it's amazing, but you can see assembly basics.)
    http://www.voiceofthehive.com - Tales of Beekeeping and Honeybees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Hall View Post
    If you guys/gals have questions about how to use this program, you can post them, and I can help you out. I use this software almost everyday professionally.
    Tim,

    I tried Sketchup last night and could get a few things built with it. But, is there a way to move the mouse so you can do it in 1/16 at a time? Also is there a way to have it show how long a line is when your drawing it or type in a measurement for a line length? I've never used a CAD program before, but it's fun to use. My daughter kicked me off the computer so she could play with it even.

    Bobg
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    Hi Bobg,

    To enter an exact measurement, click the starting point for any drawing or modifying tool, then press Tab, then enter the value with the keyboard. It will appear in a small window on the lower right of the screen.

    For tools that require two numbers, just separate them with a comma. So which number comes first. It depends on the view. I just mouse out in the general direction. And then see which value is the largest and enter accordingly

    The tape measure is a neat tool. You can click on a starting point. Measure down a line or direction. Enter a keyboard value or click when the window shows the right measurement. It leaves a guide point.

    The tape can be used to construct guide lines. Just click on an axis, a line, or another guide line. Move the tape where you want the guide line. Click it and a parallel guide line will be created at that point.

    Regards
    Dennis
    I once wrangled bees. But now, knowing better, I just let them bee.
    http://talkingstick.me/category/bees/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobg View Post
    Tim,

    I tried Sketchup last night and could get a few things built with it. But, is there a way to move the mouse so you can do it in 1/16 at a time? Also is there a way to have it show how long a line is when your drawing it or type in a measurement for a line length? I've never used a CAD program before, but it's fun to use. My daughter kicked me off the computer so she could play with it even.

    Bobg
    Dennis has the right idea...I don't think you have to hit tab though (maybe this is on the free version). If you want to move something and exact distance: 1) choose the selection tool and select the object(s) you want to move, 2) choose the move tool and click on your starting reference point (single click and release the mouse button), 3) begin dragging in the direction you want to move (again, mouse button NOT pressed down), 4) type in the distance you want to move it, an hit ENTER.

    You can enter enter feet, inches, fractions and decimals. Copying things works exactly the same as moving...you simply hold down Control/Command when first using the Move tool...a little "+" sign will appear next to your cursor which indicates Copy vs Move.

    Additionally, once you've copied your object(s) a specified distance you can then type "*[quanitity] ENTER" to create multiple copies. For example "* 8 ENTER" will make eight copies of the objects you selected, each copy the specified distance apart from one another. This you might do for example with frames spaced equally within a super.

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    Dennis and Tim,

    Thanks, for the pointers. I played with it enough to figure out making a line a certain length, but the other info in come in real handy also.

    Thanks again.

    Bobg

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