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    Avoid the PDF and go directly to the info here:

    http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572

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    That plan is not new.
    It was drafted at the April Meeting we had at the USDA Beltsville HQ.
    http://bee-quick.com/reprints/serial_killer.pdf

    By now, it is somewhat dated, as the "working group" concept was
    sandbagged by the refusal by Penn State to share samples with
    other working group members, and the entire summer was wasted
    by Penn State/USDA/Columbia chasing IAPV, only to find recently
    that IAPV pre-dated CCD by at least 5 years.
    http://bee-quick.com/reprints/claims_collapse.pdf

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    Nothing new here but I do really like the picture of all the bees standing around the bowl eating the "nutrient rich" food developed by ARS!

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    The Australian imports are still a bad idea. Animal or human movement is the way pretty much every epidemic finds its "legs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Note that the USDA press release is an attempt to draw
    attention away from the actual findings of the paper they
    cite, which is that IAPV was found in roughly 10% of
    apparently healthy
    colonies sampled in 2002-2006,
    and thus the headline of the press release should have
    been "IAPV Found To Have Nothing To Do With CCD".

    They had no basis from that data to conclude that IAPV
    did not come to North America from Australia, as it is
    perfectly reasonable to assume that the actual route
    for the spread of IAPV was Australia to Canada to USA
    during the period 1987 to present. Several of us have
    been stressing this point over and over, and we stressed
    how quickly the virus would have had to spread to be
    able to enter the US in Feb 2005, and cause widespread
    CCD in 2006/2007.

    This little inconvenient factoid makes everyone a little uneasy
    without some IAPV-positive samples from Canada to prove t
    he point. No one's bothered to look at samples from Canada yet.

    But the most interesting point about IAPV is the level of diversity
    among US samples in 2002-2006 there are enough differences of
    a minor nature between East and West coast versions of IAPV
    to support contentions that either:

    a) IAPV came here in the 1980s via Canada, and had nearly 20
    years to diverge into the different versions seen in 2002-2006

    b) IAPV first diverged from KBV here in the US, as the most basic
    training in epidemiology teaches that where one finds the most
    variants of the pathogen, one has found the actual source of
    the pathogen, as it has been there longer than it has been
    anywhere else.

    ...and if you say (a) and (b) above in an open meeting of beekeepers,
    or offer them in a question to a CCD research team member, you will
    instantly hear "Don't say that!" from a number of people. Note that no
    one will say "that's wrong", they just don't want anyone talking about
    such things in the open.

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    jim fischer writes:
    They had no basis from that data to conclude that IAPV
    did not come to North America from Australia, as it is
    perfectly reasonable to assume that the actual route
    for the spread of IAPV was Australia to Canada to USA
    during the period 1987 to present. Several of us have
    been stressing this point over and over, and we stressed
    how quickly the virus would have had to spread to be
    able to enter the US in Feb 2005, and cause widespread
    CCD in 2006/2007.

    tecumseh replies:
    was it IAPV or nosema crena that was also isolated in royal jelley produced in China?

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    > was it IAPV or nosema crena that was also isolated in
    > royal jelley produced in China?

    That was IAPV.

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