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  1. #1
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    Default Ordered a Breeder Q today

    After hearing John Harbo talk about the VSH trait, I decided that it was worth the $145 (includes shipping). I decided to get the Carni / VSH. Decided to have her shipped first week in May. By then I am thinking that the Queens should be pretty good. And that will be soon enough for me to start grafting.

    http://members.aol.com/queenb95/cata...#anchor2391365
    Last edited by BerkeyDavid; 11-12-2007 at 11:38 AM. Reason: add link

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    Sounds like there will be some good reading on the forum next summer then
    Hope it works out for you....personnally I am a skeptic.
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    Sounds like there will be some good reading on the forum next summer then
    Hope it works out for you....personnally I am a skeptic.
    A skeptic of what?

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    Default skeptic of.

    1. Varroa sensitive hygene is an effective control of mites.
    2. That breeding can select for it.
    3. That in 2 years they could have isolated the correct genes, and developed a selective breeding program.
    4. That a breeder queen can be purchased and the trait not lost in one generation.
    Last edited by bluegrass; 11-12-2007 at 03:11 PM.
    Always question Conventional Wisdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluegrass View Post
    1. Varroa sensitive hygene is an effective control of mites.
    2. That breeding can select for it.
    3. That in 2 years they could have isolated the correct genes, and developed a selective breeding program.
    4. That a breeder queen can be purchased and the trait not lost in one generation.
    1) It's been proven to work, and is as good as anything else. But it does work better for some, just like anything else out there. And if combined with the right IPM practices, it can only help.

    2) Breeding has been used for years to select for specfic traits, most notabley in dairy cows, so why would this be hard to believe?

    3)Some breeders, such as Steve Tabar have been working on this approach for decades, so it would not be difficult to develop a program for this in that amount of time, seeings as all the hard work has been done.

    4) Could happen.
    "I reject your reality, and substitute my own." Adam Savage

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    The heritablity of hygienic behavior is very well documented. Look at Dr Spivacs work. It used to be that 48 hours for clean out on the freeze killed brood assay was acceptable, now the bench mark has been raised to 24 hours for clean out. Over time these traits can be selected for and their frequency amplified in honeybee populations.
    John B Jacob www.oldsolbees.com

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