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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVbeekeeper View Post
    i'd like to see a picture of the fogger in action, does an one out there have one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clintonbemrose View Post
    I still cannot believe the ubuse people feel toward Dr. R. It is easy to understand why he left. It is easy to DISRESPECT any one on the computer but most are cowards to do the same to a persons face. (they might get hurt)
    This is my opinion.
    Clint
    It is nothing people haven't typed "to his face". It is true that many folks hide behind their monitor, but I don't really see that in this group (this is my opinion). The mere fact that no one here may have said anything to his face verbally is more than likely because most don't have a chance to meet him. I think folks respect the effort he has put in, it is the other things folks have taken issue with. I do suspect though that he would not answer the questions the way he did here were it to be a more one on one meeting as by people's facial expressions and non-verbal clues it would be apparent that there was no malice meant in the mere asking.

    I don't think anyone would be afraid to ask him their questions to his face. People getting hurt over something like this? Wouldn't that be juvenile? (and given the demographics of beekeeping, juvenile is about the last term that should be used, unless it has become synonymous with hexa through octogenarian )

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    Well seems that once again here on beesource.com we have an impasse.

    I doubt any discussion about Dr. R will result in folks changing their minds. There is only one thing that will do that, and that depends on the good Dr. himself. We know he is here so who knows what the future will bring. A saying comes to mind though: "If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always got."

    Keith
    Last edited by Keith Benson; 10-06-2007 at 09:20 AM.
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    " I know Jesus and I've talked to God and I remember this from when I was young. Faith, hope and love are three good things He gave us and the greatest is love." Alan Jackson. I don't think I sense a whole lot of love here.
    "The gods of the hills are not the gods of the valleys." Ethan Allen

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    > Now would be a good time for ALL OF US to turn to our
    > faith for further guidance.

    This request is all well and good as applied to personal interaction,
    but it is a very very bad idea to "turn to faith" when addressing
    mite control in beehives.

    This is [SIZE=3]EXACTLY[/SIZE] why folks had questions for Pedro, and
    expected clear answers.

    We simply do not and cannot allow issues of "faith" to apply to
    beekeeping, less so when we are being asked to have "faith" in
    the claims of mere mortals like ourselves.

    To go further, there should be a principle of "separation of beekeeping
    and religion". Barry tolerates quite a few "religious" or religion-influenced
    discussions here, and that is very open-minded of him. But they don't
    belong mixed in with the practical pragmatic beekeeping. We don't
    want to offend the atheists among us, now do we?

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    >>>We don't
    want to offend the atheists among us, now do we? <<<

    Truthfully, yes, we do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iddee View Post
    >>>We don't
    want to offend the atheists among us, now do we? <<<

    Truthfully, yes, we do.
    hehehe

    Everyone else is being offended... why not the athiests?
    To everything there is a season....

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    Quote Originally Posted by iddee View Post
    >>>We don't
    want to offend the atheists among us, now do we? <<<

    Truthfully, yes, we do.
    Why?

    Keith
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    Because I am not PC, I am offended many times daily, I have not died from it yet, and I don't really care if I, you, or anyone else is offended. I think it is just a part of life.

    I also think if this goes any further, it should be restarted in tailgater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iddee View Post
    Because I am not PC, I am offended many times daily, I have not died from it yet, and I don't really care if I, you, or anyone else is offended. I think it is just a part of life.

    I also think if this goes any further, it should be restarted in tailgater.
    No worries, I was asking about intent is all. Not caring if your views offend is one thing, being a git and trying to offend is childish, counterproductive and frankly stupid. Glad to see you aren't a git!

    Keith
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    Childish, at 62....THANKS

    Counterproductive....That's debatable.

    Stupid.... Read my other post..Only George, Bjorn, and Jim are licensed to call me stupid.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iddee View Post
    Read my other post..Only George, Bjorn, and Jim are licensed to call me stupid.

    I did, that I why I didn't call you stupid!

    Keith
    Last edited by Keith Benson; 10-07-2007 at 10:58 PM.
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    Default Keep Praying!

    Maybe I'll become a Born Again Re-Fogger. (BARF)
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    Default beekeeping and faith

    Hello folks.
    I am asked to apologize for having offended participants in this forum. I have done that many times, and I doing it again here, if in fact some have been offended by my remarks.
    However, I must state again very emphatically. God is in my thoughts every second of my life. I strongly believe in His creation, bees being one of them. I respect every man´s religion and political views. This is one of the greatest things about our great US of America. All I ask is that my faith not be tainted. I am profoundly involved in my faith and anyone who wishes to find out all they have to do is to ask those in my church circles both in Virginia and in Spain. If that is the route that I wish to take all I ask is that I not be taken to task for it! I mention my faith and God´s work in every walk of life, why should I not do the very same in Beesource? Please remember that is is my way of life and that I do not mean to offend anyone. I practice The Lords Creed continuously and I "ask to be forgiven of my trespasses as I forgive those who trespass against me."
    I strongly believe that The Lord gave me an intellect to chose the kind of tasks that I should lead in my life, and beekeeping has been one of them (as early as nine years of age). I believe that The Lord guides me in my actions, hence in beekeeping. Why not praise His blessings? I can not participate in any sector in which I am barred from praising Him!, and I am extremely proud of it. Again, sorry if there are objections to my way of life.
    Those who know me will agree that I am constantly looking for friends and that I am an easy person to get along. When I joined Beesource, I thought that I would find lots of friends here since we were beekeepers. I have offered the best that I have and have not asked for anything in return, except respect for my faith. I still hope that I can make amends and continue to provide assistance to beekeepers. This is a time when our industry needs all the help we can get. Or am I wrong?
    Have a blessed day in the company of The Lord.
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    Amen Pedro.

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    It's a sad state of affairs when a board like this is reduced to intentional offense from anyone.

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    Dr. Pedro Rodriguez . . .

    Thank you. Welcome to BeeSource.


    To ALL OTHERS . . .

    Now, let's go forward w/ kindness in our hearts, and discuss BEES!
    Last edited by Dave W; 10-13-2007 at 08:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizzybee View Post
    It's a sad state of affairs when a board like this is reduced to intentional offense from anyone.
    Sometimes veiled as unintentional. I was out of town when this thread took off and am disappointed with the sarcasm, calling other's comments inappropriate things, and so on. It always starts with someone making a comment that is inappropriate and then people feel it is open season. I did my best to clean up the thread.

    Pedro, you are always welcome to participate on the board and I will do my best to keep all name calling, personal jabbing and foul language out of it. Glad you're doing well.

    Regards,
    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Pedro Rodriguez View Post
    Hello folks.
    "...I am asked to apologize for having offended participants in this forum."
    Hey Doc, never met you, I've read much that you have written and I appreciate your insight. Thanks and btw, you didn't offend me.

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    Dr. R,

    So far, excellent results
    To everything there is a season....

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