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    Default Bulk Honey Buyers

    Can we get a list here of buyers who buy bulk honey? I've had people ask me and I haven't a clue. Please give name and contact info. Thanks.

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    Barry,
    Can you define "bulk"?

    Are you asking for just the buyers on beesource and those who volunteer their own information? Or are you asking for information on "any" operation that we know who buys bulk honey?

    From your request, I assume that these people who have contacted you have honey to sell, and have no market or outlet. So why are they not the ones being listed?

    I know several people/businesses who buy bulk. I think they have the more traditional contacts of word of mouth, personal interaction with industry types, etc. I'm not sure if these people would want their information on some (yet to be defined list) where every tom, dick and harry will be calling them.

    Can you elaborate the request and shed a little light as to what your looking for, what will happen with the information, and what the objective is?

    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BjornBee View Post
    Barry,
    Can you define "bulk"?
    Large in quantity or amount. More than a couple 5 gallon buckets.

    Are you asking for just the buyers on beesource and those who volunteer their own information? Or are you asking for information on "any" operation that we know who buys bulk honey?
    Any operation.

    From your request, I assume that these people who have contacted you have honey to sell, and have no market or outlet. So why are they not the ones being listed?
    Correct. At one time, I was one looking to sell off all my bucketed honey. Ended up with way too much honey and due to a move, needed to get rid of it quickly.

    Can you elaborate the request and shed a little light as to what your looking for, what will happen with the information, and what the objective is?

    Thank you.
    The objective is to make available to beekeepers, a list of buyers that will buy their "extra" honey. I understand it would be bought at wholesale pricing, but something is better than nothing at times.

    I'm not interested in anyone who doesn't want to be known as a buyer. I know they're out there, just never went down this road before. Almost did.

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    Dutch Gold Honey Inc. 717-393-1716
    2220 Dutch Gold Drive, Lancaster, Pa. 17601

    They don't take 5 gallon buckets. Only 55 gallon drums. They prefer it by the truck load, but may work out a deal for smaller amounts of drums.



    *Drapers =- Millerton Pa. 1800-233-4273

    *Glorybee foods. easily found on the net.

    *Wixson Honey. 607-243-7301

    ****I found these three in a mead making book, out of about 20 suppliers listed. I know they also buy honey.

    I have not even googled buyers of bulk honey, or looked in any of the bee mags. Its not that hard to locate buyers of bulk honey.
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    Barry,
    I guess having a list of bulk honey buyers for those who have produced it and can't find adequate markets could be beneficial. I don't see it myself, and question anyone who is in the business, has "bulk" amounts and can not find buyers. But anyways, thats not the reason for the post.

    If your going to provide some sort of list for suppliers and buyers, regardless of the amounts, how about a honey locator here on beesource for MEMBERS who wish to sell thier honey.

    I don't mind "local" people contacting me for a bottle or a case. Its a great way to make local contacts, sell some product and actually educate the public about honey and beekeeping in general.

    I question the whole notion that beekeepers out there can't find "local" outlets for some amount of honey. And if you have a truckload of 55 gallon barrels, and need me to pass on the phone number to Dutch Gold....you need more than my help!

    But I could see a list of "active" beesource members, who want to list contact information or even want to suggest what markets their honey could be found.

    We have a list for pollination. But how about a list directing consumers and visitors to beesource, to members who produce honey on a local scale?

    I personally do not, and will never list on the national honey board's "honey locator". I don't agree with the assessment, the politics, or the way they shove their so called "open" listing of non-assessment paying beekeepers off the main advertisement page and hide them on a secondary list that looks crappy.

    I think a honey locator here on beesource for lesser outfits, (other than those who pay the assessment, and many of the same who also import foriegn honey), could serve the public, and direct them where they can buy local pure honey.

    Comments???
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    Tell me how you see this organized on the forum. Sure I'm interested.

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    Thanks Barry,

    I think a state by state listing as your pollination forum is set up.

    What I personally would not want, is a list like the queen/suppliers section that has been collected from the bee mags, etc. The info on the queen supplier is not "member" based, and much of the information is outdated.

    I think having the "local honey locator" forum could be set up for members only. Any post advertising a members honey for sale (not price - just the fact that one produces and sells local honey) could be dated and posted for a set period of time. Say 90 days. If it's not updated within the 90 day period, the post would be eliminated. It would be the members responsibility to update or repost information as needed.

    Information could include voluntary information like name, address, phone number, website, or even local markets that carry someone's honey. But I have not really thought the whole benefits/ramification aspect completely for such information. (Not sure if I want calls at home for 6oz bears, as this can be time consuming, etc. But thats just me)Everyone could decide what information should be listed.

    The forum could be called the "Your Local Honey Locator". To be used for those looking for local honey and the benefits of such honey. I think many are looking for such honey sources instead of the processed supermarket honey on the markets.

    The state by state listing could be set up as example "Pennsylvania local honey", "New York Local Honey", etc. That way someone googling "local honey", "Pennsylvania honey", etc., or other key words would be directed to the site.

    Still thinking about further details. Anyone want to add or comment?
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    Thumbs down No Rotation, No Fairness

    I kinda think the idea sucks.

    Its just another aspect of beekeeping that gives bias to the first person to post to that topic.

    Doesn't matter if I'm closer, have cheaper/better products, I'm going to loose consumers to the first person to post the topic.
    Buyers can/will be lazy and that is the net result when they are.

    There isn't any sort of rotation that makes everyone share the first posting location, and the buyer is going to bias to buy from the first person on the list.

    Its been done to swarm removals.
    Its been done to pollination.
    Might as well screw up honey sales for the average person too.

    Should a new member loose honey sales just because they joined a year after the topic was established and their post is at the bottom where it is never read?

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    NW,
    How many "local" beekeepers are from Crown Point? I know I was the first to post on the pollination and swarm list. A year later, I'm still the only person advertising for swarm removals in the several county area that I have listed. I guess the same can be said about pollination also.

    I don't realistically expect a person from outside my area to drive from New York, Pittsburgh, Philly, or D.C., just to pick up a bottle of honey.

    I guess for a person willing to ship, that varietal honey could be benefited.

    I really think anything that allows consumers to come into contact with local producers and beekeepers, and to buy honey other than the foreign mixed honey from wal-mart or other supermarkets, could be seen as positive.

    But since you think its a area of concern, I don't know if some type rotation is possible. My own feeling is that I don't give much thought to the beekeeper who joins beesource a year from now, and missed out on being up the list. I would think he would be happy to find beesource, find a site he could advertise on, and benefit as the beekeepers who came before him.

    I never really thought much of being first as opposed to last on the list for swarms and pollination. Maybe the posts as I mentioned would be deleted every so often and as they are re-entered again by the beekeeper, the post would be posted last.

    BTW NW, Your not even on the pollination thread. I'm not convinced that the whole grand total of three listed on the pollination thread for Indiana is impacting competition and changing the dynamics of business models.

    And I strongly disagree that Barry has "screwed up" anything with swarm removals and pollination. He is providing the public a service and allowing beesource members to benefit as well.
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    [Your not even on the pollination thread.]
    Darned if you are, darned if you aren't

    I'm not on the list, because I'm not contributing what I don't believe in.
    I'm not going to give it any extra traction. I don't need to.
    You say that like I don't have any right to voice an opinion because I don't subscribe.
    If I was signed up you'd point your finger and say 'it was alright by me enough to sign up'. (I'm not allow to win regardless what I choose!)
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    I think that beesource is a great location for information.

    As I meet new beekeepers I am frequently asked about what books are good and what sources of information are the best. Beesource is one of the foremost mentioned.

    With the mention comes exploration of the website and eventual membership. If I regularly introduce local beekeepers to the website, I'm going to create a saturation of local beekeepers that belong to beesource. And if those beekeepers take use of the swarm/pollinator/honey boards, that is going to direct competition to my service.

    Now that competion has existed naturally since beekeeping has been started. The difference has always been that beekeepers have always had to build and nurture their own markets, thus creating a market. To me, this is earned business, and the products earned from that are will deserved.

    This idea of creating a centralized list, with the devote idea of pulling people in from search engines and the like, is focusing the market to one location, and creating one plate from which both the buyer buys from and one plate that local sellers have to collectively compete. Produce one bottle of honey or seven varieties, you'll have the same treatment a name on a list from which novice people are blindly buying honey.

    To me, one that treasures the effort I put into my product and treasures explaining to the customer why my product is worth what it is (not in cost, but worth in its quality but verses foreign bulk blends and the such).

    I think that many beekeepers have taken great efforts to design very nice and good functioning websites to sell their products. I think it wrong for them to loose business because beesource gets a higher search engine standing because of all the other traffic it generates. This will effectively siderail buyers from individual websites.

    I know the arguement is going to be, well let the seller link to their website. Well that it becomes a battle of the websites. Who has a cheaper price, who has less shipping, who has extra varieties.

    In doing so, you are making the little producers fight amongst themselves for the same piece of business, rather than promoting them and bringing them more sources business.
    I don't see this as a benefit, at least not to us as the producers.

    I know, I am only complaining about the negative.
    If I could think of an effective and fair way to do this, I'd offer my positive suggestions. I just think anyway it is done is going to have a degree of bias.

    I think anyone that is seeking honey on the internet is eventually going to find it on a website from someone near them. Beesource provides so many other avenues of good information, to indirectly promote a few first listing posters does a reasonable disservice to the great contributors to these forums.

    I've tried to be reasonable and consider other forums, like the For Sale Forum. This is significantly different because you have one of a kind items that often of one piece for sale. This sort of sale has a limited life span.

    This is entirely different because honey is a replenished item.
    And likely, local beekeepers are going to have the same local varieties.
    The item is not unique, nor does it deplete.
    Thus the completition never ceases.

    To what benefit to me do I have to suggest to others to join beesource and compete for my market of my hard earned product?

    I understand that this post was started to locate Bulk producer - not the corner farmstand guy to have an outlet. If honey is needed in bulk, why not just ask you local beekeeping club who has surplus, or who the big guy is? The list would only be as good as the frequency at which it is updated. One bad flow could wipe out or one could never have built an inventory. I see only a very limited utility for a list of this type.

    Look at how quickly the bee suppliers list grew dead links or aged with incorrect information, or never has had new suppliers added. I'm not griping at Barry, everything takes work, everything take organization and once built, things take maintenance to keep upto a standard of quality.

    This board lives so well on its own because the software manages itself so well. If that technology did not exist, we'd likely be back to exchanging post cards like the the 1900's. I have a great deal of respect for what we have here. I have a great deal of respect for other people here. I think some area of beekeeping are best left to other websites to prevent in-fighting and disrupting the great function of everything else.
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    You have my vote. Sounds like an excellent idea to me.

    There are a lot of "guests" looking over this site every day. I wonder what the percentages may be of guests that are not beekeepers but individuals who are just interested in learning about beekeeping and its products. And this group probably knows the difference between common store shelf honey and "local honey" they would get from a beekeeper.

    If "long lists" are a problem, then perhaps each state could somehow be further broken down into counties, and the suppliers listed there. That would surely shorten the lists and also help narrow down the search for those seeking local honey. Not sure if that's possible, just a thought.
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    [If "long lists" are a problem, then perhaps each state could somehow be further broken down into counties, and the suppliers listed there. That would surely shorten the lists and also help narrow down the search for those seeking local honey. Not sure if that's possible, just a thought.]

    I liked the idea, and thought about that too.

    But what about those that produce honey in multiple areas, or are willing to sell throughout the state?
    For example, Indiana has 92 counties - does one person repost 92 times if they sell throughout the state?
    What if I want to sell in other states?
    Am I limited to listing in only my home county?
    Would I only post in the county that 'hosted' the bees for the honey production?

    I think most beekeepers are willing to ship honey to just about anywhere that has a reasonable shipping expense. Should they miss business because of a more local beekeeper?

    The county idea places proverbal blinders on the buyer.
    This is especially true because of the thread style design the forum is based.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NW IN Beekeeper View Post
    I think most beekeepers are willing to ship honey to just about anywhere that has a reasonable shipping expense. Should they miss business because of a more local beekeeper?
    It seems that we may have differing visions of the intent of a forum such as this. My thinking was to provide a listing service mainly for locals, those willing to drive across town and pick up a 1# jar or 5 gal bucket of honey.

    If someone is in the business of shipping honey statewide or nationwide, and they are relying on a beekeeping forum as even a minor sales outlet, then it's time to rethink their marketing strategy.
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    [...they are relying on a beekeeping forum as even a minor sales outlet, then it's time to rethink their marketing strategy.]

    Hehe... Yeah I agree but you know someone is going to try it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW IN Beekeeper View Post
    Now that competion has existed naturally since beekeeping has been started. The difference has always been that beekeepers have always had to build and nurture their own markets, thus creating a market. To me, this is earned business, and the products earned from that are will deserved.

    This idea of creating a centralized list, with the devote idea of pulling people in from search engines and the like, is focusing the market to one location, and creating one plate from which both the buyer buys from and one plate that local sellers have to collectively compete. Produce one bottle of honey or seven varieties, you'll have the same treatment a name on a list from which novice people are blindly buying honey.

    To me, one that treasures the effort I put into my product and treasures explaining to the customer why my product is worth what it is (not in cost, but worth in its quality but verses foreign bulk blends and the such).

    I think that many beekeepers have taken great efforts to design very nice and good functioning websites to sell their products. I think it wrong for them to loose business because beesource gets a higher search engine standing because of all the other traffic it generates. This will effectively siderail buyers from individual websites.

    I know the arguement is going to be, well let the seller link to their website. Well that it becomes a battle of the websites. Who has a cheaper price, who has less shipping, who has extra varieties.

    In doing so, you are making the little producers fight amongst themselves for the same piece of business, rather than promoting them and bringing them more sources business.
    I don't see this as a benefit, at least not to us as the producers.

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    I think anyone that is seeking honey on the internet is eventually going to find it on a website from someone near them.
    I'm surprised at the lack of input on this thread by members.:confused:

    I run my own business and I'm in direct competition with many other builders in my area. I have never felt threatened by their presence. I see local bulletin boards in restaurants and building material suppliers that are filled with business cards of local craftsmen. There are websites that list local craftsmen. I'm not sure how effective you will be in trying to keep your competition silenced. The Internet is a staple of life now and it is yet another way (probably the first step) for people to find products and services. If, as you mentioned, people are already going to have their own website for honey, how then is listing them here doing anyone harm?

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    I am game for this. It is hard to destinguish (sp?) youeself from another person that sells honey. I think varietals play a key roll but I also think the customer service is one of those things that really can make or break you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I'm surprised at the lack of input on this thread by members.:confused:- Barry
    After reading the thread twice, I guess I don't see the real issue(s).

    Marketing of bee products and bee related services is a multi faceted entity. Quality and service will bring top dollar and encourage repeat business. If this website facilitates a sale or two to some beek there is no harm done or unfair advantage gained as the market is so large and the actual suppliers too few. If the site develops into a solely marketing entity then it may be time to rethink it's intent but until then what's the harm?
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    someone suggested:
    Hehe... Yeah I agree but you know someone is going to try it!

    tecumseh replies:
    me thinks perhaps someone already has...

    sounds like another way to provide enough information so that the honey packers/retailers can undermine each and every small bee keeping enterprise on this board. which is to say that when Barry (don't take this personal Barry it is only hypothetical) sells his crop to the fellow (who does owns 3 hives) that sells honey across from me at the farmers market who then cuts his price 30 percent lower than my own honey... it is quite evident who profits but who pays is sometime not quite so clear.

    didn't any of you beekeepers learn anything in regards to chinese honey? are you not exhausted from competiting with chinese slave labor yet? really just wondering who is paying attention.

    sounds like someone need to put on their marketing hat.

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    Tec:

    I would have to somewhat agree. However, when the smaller beekeeper buys honey from a bigger operation, I do not see HOW they can cut there prices.

    Lets take an example. Some years I have to buy honey to supply my customers. The honey costs about 1.67 a pound. Through on a label which is around $.15 and the jar which is $.55, the profit margin is minimal (sp?). Not sure how anyone can drop their price if you are orginally selling it for $5 a pound.

    I think to make any money in this business, you have to be able to:

    1) provide outstanding customer service
    2) spread out a little and offer different things
    3) and market youself better.

    This is the hard part!

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    I think our number one hurdle is to educate the consumer of the reasons they want to buy local honey. Once that goal is accomplished then they will find the locals, even if the name is buried in a list from their state.

    Yesterday our local association had a booth at a local fair. We had beekeeping info and attractants such as observation hive, hornet nest, honey cook books, and a cup full of dead yellowjackets. We also had 5 beekeepers selling honey and a sign of what part of the county the honey was produced. Some educated people went down the line and picked the honey that was closes to their home. We all did well on our sales.
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