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    Default Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    As promised in another thread, I contacted Ms. Meredith Laws of the EPA regarding the approval of OA for use in beehives. On behalf of Ms. Laws, Rubin Baris returned my call.
    The USDA is acting as registrant of record (vs Monsanto or some other chemical company) for OA, so that the tremendous fees to get OA approved are waived.
    OA will be approved in use in both syrup and vaporization
    The EPA relied upon both Canadian and other sources for it's studies.
    The approval is merely "months away." It is in the final stages of approval before going to the Federal Register.

    Brushy Mountain will be the first to market OA. Now, what is not known is how BM will market OA be it in a syrup or for use in a vaporizer or both...

    I'm guessing that other suppliers (Mann Lake, Dadant etc) will soon join in under the "me too" provision.


    Here's the "unspoken" catch. While OA is available in many places, you can only use OA in accordance with its label. So if you used OA supplied by another source (and hence not having the "approved for use in beehives" label, you are in effect in violation. Brushy Mountain will have that wording on the OA label.
    http://OxaVap.com Your source for the Varrox Mite Killing
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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    I picked up a bag from Amazon, it had no label.
    “Why do we fall, sir? So that we might learn to pick ourselves up” Alfred Pennyworth Batman Begins (2005)

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Print one.

    Years ago when auto inspections were a new thing, I glued a state liquor control tax sticker on my windshield. Same color. Worked for me.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Will be interesting watching the compliance hustle unfold. If I need to buy a pre-labeled container just to have somewhere to store my supply of OA, so be it.
    What sort of adulterants will they have to add to prove it came from Gubmint Certified suppliers?
    Guess its time to follow my ammo mantra "Buy it cheap, stack it deep"

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    "Here's the "unspoken" catch. While OA is available in many places, you can only use OA in accordance with its label. So if you used OA supplied by another source (and hence not having the "approved for use in beehives" label, you are in effect in violation. "

    That will get even less enforcement effort than the original prohibition against using OA to control mites did.
    --shinbone
    (4th year, Zone 5b, 10/12 hives survived W'14)

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Will there be another level of state by state approval for use in hives as there is for many pesticides?

    I'd be very pleased to have OAV approved for use, but I'm wondering how they will ensure operator safety with the method. People often try to get away without adequate safety gear, in my experience. (I know this on a personal level and I've got the ER and hospitalization bills to prove it. Wasn't OAV, though. It was back in my 20's when I was young and dumb!)

    Anyway, it would be great, though probaby more costly, to have genuine bee-safe materials to work with.

    Enj.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    I feel it'd always been legal for use in beehives. How else are you going to keep those top bars clean?

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    They can't really guarantee operator safety with any other product. Some fool could easily torch his lungs with a wiff of formic acid. Common sense is sold separately lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by enjambres View Post
    Will there be another level of state by state approval for use in hives as there is for many pesticides?

    I'd be very pleased to have OAV approved for use, but I'm wondering how they will ensure operator safety with the method. People often try to get away without adequate safety gear, in my experience. (I know this on a personal level and I've got the ER and hospitalization bills to prove it. Wasn't OAV, though. It was back in my 20's when I was young and dumb!)


    Enj.
    Anyway, it would be great, though probably more costly, to have genuine bee-safe materials to work with.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post
    Print one.

    Years ago when auto inspections were a new thing, I glued a state liquor control tax sticker on my windshield. Same color. Worked for me.
    I love it Michael

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Quote Originally Posted by enjambres View Post
    Will there be another level of state by state approval for use in hives as there is for many pesticides?

    Anyway, it would be great, though probaby more costly, to have genuine bee-safe materials to work with.

    Enj.
    NY is already working on a way to add a tax to it
    mike syracuse ny
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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    What kind (brand & model #) do you use while administering OA?

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Quote Originally Posted by philip.devos View Post
    What kind (brand & model #) do you use while administering OA?
    Me? I use either the Varrox or Varrocleaner from OxaVap.com.........
    http://OxaVap.com Your source for the Varrox Mite Killing
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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    The ones I use are the ones I make and sell

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Palmer View Post

    Years ago when auto inspections were a new thing, I glued a state liquor control tax sticker on my windshield. Same color. Worked for me.
    does that alow you an open container when you drive?
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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    I would think that for beginning hobbyists, a pre-measured amount to mix, or even pre-mixed syrup, to use with a dribble syringe or similar tool would be useful and highly profitable. Maybe offer a deluxe version with probiotics.
    4 years, 5 hives

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    > Maybe offer a deluxe version with probiotics.

    Certainly an excellent marketing concept!

    Note that while the exact method of oxalic acid effectiveness is unclear, the point of a dribble application is to get the bees bodies coated with the mixture (not intended to be ingested by the bees). Of course, some of it does get ingested, but according to Randy Oliver, the "mode of action" for OA dribble is "contact". Read his comments in full in the Mode of Action section at (about the middle of) this page:

    http://scientificbeekeeping.com/oxal...-1-of-2-parts/
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    Question Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Quote Originally Posted by RudyT View Post
    Maybe offer a deluxe version with probiotics.
    I sure hope you are being sarcastic. this has got to be the stupidest idea ever.

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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Maybe you never heard of Pet Rocks?
    Graham
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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    Quote Originally Posted by Rader Sidetrack View Post
    Maybe you never heard of Pet Rocks?
    Invented by Gary Dahl.

    "Dahl sold 1.5 million Pet Rocks and became a millionaire"

    "With his money Dahl purchased the ironically named 'Carry Nations' bar in downtown Los Gatos, California, which he nearly ran into the ground and sold after eight months.[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]3[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE] He continued to work in advertising but avoided interviews for years, because "a bunch of wackos" harassed him with lawsuits and threats. Dahl said in 1988, 'Sometimes I look back and wonder if my life wouldn't have been simpler if I hadn't done it.'"


    Oh, the painful sting of successfully duping stupid people.
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    Default Re: Oxalic Acid ... soon approved for use in beehives

    It's gluten-free!
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