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  1. #1
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    Default Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    I had two hives completely abscond in late winter this year. Bees one day, none the next. Just gone. These hives were 2-3 years old and seemed healthy and robust going into winter. Both hives left behind several frames of capped honey stores, the most robust about 14 frames full. Neighboring hives did not begin robbing it until I lifted the lid and began to move the boxes from the bee yard. I was able to remove 2 boxes, but the third was covered in hungry foragers. I left it and they quickly cleaned it out. Is that going to devastate my other healthy hives? Should I render the "fresher" drawn combs from the hives that absconded or can I reuse?

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    Were they treated for mites?

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    I broke the brood cycle on one hive and the other I used MAQS.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    There hasn't been a confirmed case of CCD in over 2 years.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    How does one confirm CCD when no one really knows what it is?
    Janne....first hives April 2013, 19 hives, treat, plant zone 8b, at sea level, latitude 49.13, longitude 123.06

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    I was just speculating. Other causes for absconding in late winter? There were some dead bees on the sbb on all my hives that had not been cleaned out due to cold temps. When it warmed up into the 50s (maybe a day in the low 60s) a week later I checked again and there were no dead bees on any sbb and two hives were completely empty with only small patches of brood.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    Maybe through off a late swarm, and there weren't enough bees to protect the comb. A slight invasion of SHB or moths can drive a startled hive to abscond. I've seen and experienced many times.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    Quote Originally Posted by WBVC View Post
    How does one confirm CCD when no one really knows what it is?
    I want to know that also.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    Zero signs of shb or wax moth...even after the hives sat out there empty for a few weeks. Late Feb/early March is still cold here in the mountains with just occassional warm weather.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    My 2 Hives absconded in Oct ( 1st year nucs). Time was limited, as was my knowledge & I was admittedly negligent. Getting 2 nucs on Monday. Can I reuse frames from previous hive? Some are dripping of honey as I type. I had a problem with shb last year. Some foundation is slightly drawn out with outer perimeter gone (about 1/3 - 1")... The question is...Can I reuse these frames in the new hive?

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    Quote Originally Posted by odfrank View Post
    I want to know that also.
    If you don't know what it is how can you see it? There was some criteria defined a few years ago. It's as close as we'll come to a definition. Personally I think most CCD is PPBK.

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    Quote Originally Posted by camero7 View Post
    Personally I think most CCD is PPBK.
    Me too.
    Master Beekeeper (EAS) and Master Gardener (U Maine CE) www.beeberrywoods.com

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    Default Re: Empty colonies, CCD suspected

    I think they wouldnt abscond in winter weather that they could not forage in. Old, diseased or heavily mite laden bees will fly off to die though even below freezing. When did you have a brood break and when did you treat with MAQ's?
    Frank

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