Bonide vs. Burgess

[honeyman46408]

http://www.steoil.com/index.asp

Or Wal Mart for small amounts

[clintonbemrose]

I purchased a barrel of it from STE oil 8 years ago as per DR. Rodregaz and between use and selling some I only have 4 gallons left from the original 50 gallons. It has worked good for me just fogging. I used it alone for 5 years on 500 + hives in my polonation business before I retired and now with Thymol for the last 2 1/2 years on10 to 15 hives. It has kept me away from the harsh and toxic chemicals used for the control of mites.

Clint

[markonsite]

Can someone tell me how much fog to use per hive and how often do you fog each hive?

Thanks,
Mark

[Black Creek]

i've been told on here that you should take of the outer cover and fog 'em until you see some fog coming out of the top. And it seems most people on here recommend fogging once a week as general maintenance.

[markonsite]

OK, thanks Matt. I'll give it a try.

Mark

[Isle of Melifera]

I am a Newbee! When fogging once a week as general maintenance would this be a good time to inspect the hive as well. Can you smoke and inspect and then fog towards the end of your inspection or does this sound like to much time manipulating them and possibly drive them to the point of irritation?

Many thanks,
Emily

i've been told on here that you should take of the outer cover and fog 'em until you see some fog coming out of the top. And it seems most people on here recommend fogging once a week as general maintenance.

[Black Creek]

i dunno about that. i'm just now getting ready to do my 2nd fogging myself. but i'd would think that you'd want to have as many bees in the hive as possible when you fog, so if you were doing an ispection at the same time, there might be a lot of them out flying.

[clintonbemrose]

I voften use the fogger with FGMO when inspecting hives with no problems.
Clint

[Black Creek]

ok... when i 1st was trying to use my fogger, i got some pretty nasty boiling oil shooting out. i wrote about it on this thread a while back. since then, i've had no problems. Then yesterday, something pretty scary happened. i was going down the line, fogging each hive, doing each the same way, making sure i wasnt tipping the fogger forward. the nozzel up at the entrance, everything normal...... FWOMP ! the fog somehow ignited and a fire ball shot out the entrance. I dunno how many bees died yet, i figured i'd give them a day or two before looking, but there was at least a thousand blown out the front that were singed wingless/legless or just plain dead. I never saw the fogger flame up at all, just a ''thump'' type explosion and fire shot out the front. What did i do wrong? Am I putting the nozzle to close to the entrance? I was thinking that possibly the fog vapor as it was leaking out of the hive caught an ignition from the hot coil?? i have no idea. But that hive is most certainly queenless now, not to mention the death toll of workers. And eggs/open brood? they coulda been flash burned too.

[iddee]

I have heard of that happening with the burgess, but I have the bonide and have never seen or heard of it happening with them. I think I will stay with the Bonide.

[clintonbemrose]

The burn back can happen with any fogger. It is caused by the fog blowing back to the burner and igniting. When I fog I keep the nozel about 1 foot away from the opening. I fog the opening for 5 seconds and move on. I do not remove the top of the hive but do see the fog comming out the top entrance. I make sure that I do not fog when the wind will blow the fog back at the fogger or me.
Clint

[Black Creek]

that's where i messed up. i started putting the nozel a lot closer than i was doing before thinking that i was wasting too much fog since so much seemed to not be going in the hive. i'll back it up a bit.

[honeyman46408]

I fog at an angle and it hasnt happened to me YET, never say never!!

[Kevin M]

I like my Burguss 1443 propane fogger..It has flamed up on me once, in the year I have owned it.. That was i believe from my error,to close to my rear of the hive opening,aka, a built in varroa mite tray draw..I lost my queen and a bunch of bees this past Memorial Day weekend...But,I still have a bunch of bees left,a flow is going on ( black locust, smart weed, and a little Russiian Olive,and plenty more....... I added
a 2nd super of PermsComb today (Med.Super) as the first Med.of PermaComb is already almost full.. Along with a shallow of mostly drawn comb, and a few with wax foudation on Top...I have a Queen excluder just under the top shallow...Theres a good flow going om, I want to take advantage....advise, exprthankseirance speaking,,? thanks...Kevin

[Jeffzhear]

I have heard of that happening with the burgess, but I have the bonide and have never seen or heard of it happening with them. I think I will stay with the Bonide.

Well I took Iddee's and others advice and purchased a Bonide. I am looking forward to using it when I get some thymol in the mail....paid for it this morning.

Now I was talking to a friend of mine yesterday who suggested that I don't treat splits by fogging since the splits typically have lower levels of mites. Thoughts?

My favorite NYS Bee Inspector, Peter Borst who is quite the beeman, inspected my hives at one of my yards yesterday. He said the mite count was 4 per hundred in one of the original hives (not split). So I am going to hit them with FGMO and thymol, starting this week for three weeks.

Anyway, I am still regressing all of my hives but it's a slower process then I anticipated...

[aidah]

Ive read the whole thread about fogging. I'm a new bee keep and I would like to know more about the fog method. I am going to purchase a fogger and I need to know the recipe.

[iddee]

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204952

[Jeffzhear]

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=204952

I copied the below recipe from Iddee's link and from ClintonBemrose's post. My question is this the recipe for my Bonide?

I noticed Sundances post but his recipe's seem to be for other type foggers.

Thanks for your help in advance. I just am new to this and don't want to screw up.



"1000cc FGMO.
Remove 100cc into sealable Mason jar.
Add 50 grams thymol crystals to reserved 100cc FGMO.
Seal jar.
Place pot with water on burner.
Place jar with FGMO/Thymol in water bath.
Slowly heat water and swirl mixture to dissolve crystals.
When crystals are dissolved completely Solution may change color to amber.
Add the remaining 900cc of FGMO and mix.
Mixture is now ready for the fogger.
Store tightly covered in the Mason jar.
Store in a cool dry place.
Use only 3 to 4 trigger squeezes per hive as needed for Varroa control

From
Dr. Pedro Rodreguz.
FGMO"

[iddee]

The recipe is for the bees, regardless of what fogger you use.

[aidah]

You guys are amazing. The information that is exchanged here is priceless.You are all giving the planet a boost by helping each other keep bees. Thanks for the cooking lesson.