View Poll Results: What do you think is the cause of CCD?

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  • GM plants

    1 2.00%
  • neonicotinoid based chemicals

    5 10.00%
  • Other pesticides other than neonicotinoids

    0 0%
  • Pesticide buildup within the hive from beekeepers

    5 10.00%
  • Multiple items working together such as stress, nutrition, management practices, etc.

    23 46.00%
  • E.L.F

    1 2.00%
  • Unknown viral or bacterial issues

    2 4.00%
  • A known but older virus seen before, perhaps mutated. Stone brood, etc.

    2 4.00%
  • Mite resistance and overload

    3 6.00%
  • Other

    8 16.00%
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Thread: So what is CCD?

  1. #41
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    Yes Dick, as I stated, I have no intentions of getting anything published myself. Let me be clear, it was not my grant, it was not my study, it was not my writing, it was not my intentions of participating in a study to make an article to attach my name.

    Does that mean I am not willing to put up or shut up? Thats right. I am more than willing to help out when needed. I am also more than willing to work behind the scenes when I can without the "primary" reason of being published.

    I mainly pointed out the comment about the article and the failure to get it published due to reasons of it not being entertainment. That research and ongoing studies will be ignored by mainstrean magazines if the information is not "entertaining". The mag stated that readers want entertainment, not research, answers to questions, or studies with results. I was making those comments to show where the industry is when it comes to such matters.

    My comment on "some" holding out perhaps information till papers and articles are published, even in times when some are being wiped out, was two paragraphs down from my comments on the rejected research paper. They are seperate issues Dick. I have come forward with information, and even skirted the issue of making suggestions of other ongoing research (Of those who want information published first) in attempts to get information out to the public. To get it in as many hands as possible, as soon as possible, with the hopes that the information pool can benefit and grow as we all can add our experiences.

    Dick, Since your so willing to nitpick my comments...Was it not you that commented along the lines of "I'll be coming out with information in the next couple months in ABJ"...after others were making comments about nutrition, stress, and other areas of thoughts concerning CCD? I wonder how willing you would of been to get involved in letting anyone know what you found or knew, if not for the fact others had been sniffing down that road also. As it was, you added little beyond letting others know you were writing a paper and covering your story(butt) by indicating you had already been on the case.

    Let me know if you want to carry this further. I can post the actual comments by you Dick, and the lack of any real information on your part til I can only assume after your article is published.

  2. #42
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    >>A few cats die, and the whole country is running around in panic. A few bees...well I can understand the lack of concern. What does baffle me is HOW FREAKIN FAST they can tell me what caused the death of a few cats. But ask the bee industry to confirm a pesticide or two inside a hive, and its 6 months and counting.

    >>Seems as if the pace of information, and thus research(?) has slowed to snails pace. Right on cue, since I figured as much with the pending checks around the corner....


    Isnt that the truth. I suspect it was made clear QUICk mainly because of major law suits building up,.

    So what is really going on here. Is there anything definite yet? I have been quite busy this last while and haven't really seen anything new on this problem. Well, other than hearing and reading media coverage of CCD, and the confusion is sure getting things spinning!

    The guys have got to get out and start eliminating some of the causes, or at least getting word out of possible leads.


    Maybe someone can help me out here.
    I have been told time and time again, from people learning of CCD from the media, that it is devastating hives across Canada,.?
    Last time I talked to my provincial apiarist, 2 weeks ago, he had not mentioned this problem, in fact he was saying our Provence is experiencing about average wintering losses.
    So what the hell? Who is broadcasting that CCD is being found in Canada, AND causing large scale losses?
    Or is there losses being identified up here now, with symptoms closely associated to the losses in the US?

    You dont know how many people has either stopped me or phoned me about CCD they heard, watched or read about from the media. I am glad for this forum and many beekeepers who are investigating into these losses. It has allowed me to actively dispel some of the "buzz" word media spin stories.

    This is a perfect opportunity for the spin artists to work!
    Last edited by Ian; 04-08-2007 at 12:12 PM.
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  3. #43
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    > Funny thing is, the paper was rejected by one of the major bee mags as not being what the readers wanted.
    > They felt it was too "research" oriented, and not entertaining enough. So we are trying to have it
    > published in a Entomology/Science publication. It had to do with side by side comparisons of mite products
    > on the market, among other items. But I guess "entertainment" is valued more, as the mag said, "thats what
    > the readers expect."

    I think you are mixing issues here.

    BeeCulture simply does not publish things written in the form of "papers",
    they publish articles. Think "The New Yorker". ABJ will publish things
    written in the form of "papers" often, but will expect something written
    like a paper to be an actual paper, and may do a "peer review" of sorts
    on them, offering comments that must be considered and result in changes
    in the "paper" before the publish it.

    Neither magazine would reject an article merely on the grounds that it was
    not "entertaining enough", but either might if the thing were poorly
    written in turgid language.

    If it is a serious paper, it would be better to have the work published in an
    "Entomology/Science publication" as then it would become part of the legitimate
    scientific literature, where anything printed only in the bee magazines could be
    deliberately ignored by some who think that work worthy of publication in a
    journal would be published only in an actual journal.

    There is nothing preventing you from publishing a re-written version of the paper
    in one of the bee mags, but this would have to come after the publication in the
    "Entomology publication", as all the science journals want to be the first to print
    a paper. If you need help in creating a more article-like version of the "paper",
    I'd be happy to help. I can guarantee publication of any such article in either of the
    bee mags.

    > Its a shame that any testing on the product came to a screaching halt once the grant
    > money was handed out. If you don't know the story, let me know.

    No, I don't know the story. What would require extensive testing in regard to drone
    comb anyway? Is there anything in doubt about the use of drone comb? It has multiple
    applications, all fairly well understood.

  4. #44
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    What does baffle me is HOW FREAKIN FAST they can tell me what caused the death of a few cats
    The apparatus to do just that already exists. Just think about it, there are 27 vet schools in NA (at my last count) - I may be off by 1 or 2, and there is a huge research wing to almost all of them. There is also years of research into pet foods and toxins and such on which to draw. Heck there are a slew of specialist veterinarians that do nothing but toxicology. I don't think you can say that about perhaps more than a handful of bee researcher's if that. Jerry B is the only one that comes to my mind (thought there must be more) Personally I thought the pet food thing was a bit slow, but that is just me and when it comes to diagnostics I have all the patience of a boiling teakettle.

    The honeybee research establishment is tiny compared to the veterinary machine (which is tiny compared to the human medical machine) and much honeybee research is not about disease. Dance anyone?

    Keith
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    {Seems as if the pace of information, and thus research(?) has slowed to snails pace. Right on cue, since I figured as much with the pending checks around the corner....}

    This seems to always be the case. With problems, with controls, with solid timely answers. As always there will be a great deal of short lived media hype, researchers will return to academia and beekeepers will continue to work through the problems, losing yet a few more of an ever dwindling number of beekeepers. Those left will eventually deal with this looming threat as we did trachs, varroa, resistances and chinese honey.

    I'm thankful for the early information that was published, the considerable input from many knowlegable beekeepers here and on Bee-L. It's time to move on, scan the horizon for the next storm.

  6. #46
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    I have been a junior in both product and research sides of agriculture. Its hard both ways and nobody wants anything but lightening pace advancements, cheeeeeaaap food, healthy environments, high worker wages etc. Nothing is perfect and we can all do our part. If you have some crazy solution and are worried that someone will riducule it as unscientific, stupid or toxic.....post it anyway. That's the beauty of the web. Someone will read it and someone will try it. All great innovations were crazy just before they were great innovations (not my words, but I wish they were).

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    Bjorn wrote:

    >>>> As it was, you added little beyond letting others know you were writing a paper and covering your story(butt) by indicating you had already been on the case.<<<

    >>>Let me know if you want to carry this further. I can post the actual comments by you Dick, and the lack of any real information on your part til I can only assume after your article is published.<<<<

    This is unfair and if I gave your opinion the credence I did in the past, it would hurt my feelings. I don't want to elevate this bit of unreality to the level of arguement.

    Dickm

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