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  1. #1
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    Default Small Hive Beetle Treatment

    After several trials and modifications, two members of the bee club I belong to, Foothills Beekeepers Association have been successful in reducing the number of Small Hive Beetles in hives.
    The state bee inspector was skeptical as to the worth of their development, but after seeing their results, is endorsing the treatment. I donít know if this is something someone has tried elsewhere, but it is the first Iíve heard of it.
    The two guys that developed the treatment are:
    Sonney, beemaker at hotmail dot com and Mel, melemcc at yahoo dot com.
    You can get more information by e-mailing them.
    Jon, N6VC/5

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    How are they going to feel about being peppered with e-mail inquiries? Wouldn't it be better to just post the method here? Or are they going to sell it?
    - Ann, a Gardening Beek

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    two guesses
    first one doesn't count

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    Howdy Ann --
    Could be that the folks do not want to be exposed to the diatribe of "That's not approved".
    Doc

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    They are not trying to sell it. I just don't want to "steal their thunder". As soon as I have a chance, I will try it out. One of the requirements is to have hive beetles which I haven't found in my hives, yet. When I do, I will post the information with pictures, etc. as I always do.
    If you live in Arkansas, and took a class from the state bee inspector, you would receive this information from him.
    I don't care one way or another. I just thought there might be someone who could use the information.
    And, you might be right, this might be an imposition on them, but being acquainted with Mel, this is the kind of thing he does. How many people do you know who would volunteer to help the paid professionals eradicate AHB colonies for the fun of it?
    Jon
    Jon, N6VC/5

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrogers View Post
    Howdy Ann --
    Could be that the folks do not want to be exposed to the diatribe of "That's not approved".
    Doc
    Ah. Well, I can't blame them there....
    - Ann, a Gardening Beek

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    Default I'll try in SC

    I'll be glad to shoot them an e-mail and give it a try if they respond. I definitely have the subjects to run the experiment on :mad: .
    sc-bee

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    Quote Originally Posted by sc-bee View Post
    I'll be glad to shoot them an e-mail and give it a try if they respond. I definitely have the subjects to run the experiment on :mad: .
    I hope you get a respoonse, I'm waiting to see if they respond to me
    - Ann, a Gardening Beek

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    I'm going through the workshop now that Foothills is sponsoring. I've spoke with the inspector about them and I've tried to make some up, but I need to compare them to what Sonny and Mel already made and was available at the workshop. I still need to get in the hives and do some spring cleaning before I try them.

    Not to take anything away from anyone but I figure the SonnyMel Trap coupled with the wax moth 2 liter bottle traps would be part of a great IPM combo for SHB. With one a narrow and the other a broad spectrum management tool.
    Last edited by notaclue; 03-18-2007 at 09:49 PM.

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    Small update.
    I talked to Mel and Sonny tonight at the club meeting. Apparently they had some problems mailing out the information because of the large file size. They have given me more pictures and I was able to look at one of their traps first hand.
    As soon as I can, I will make some 3D drawings in Solidworks that will make things easier to understand.
    Mel has talked to Kim Flottum, Bee Culture, and they are talking about an article in that publication.
    As I said, they are glad to provide the information free. They just want to help.
    Dave, http://www.beeworks.com/forum/index.php, talked to Mel and has posted some pictures and the bulk of the instructions on his website, so there is another source available until I can get the stuff I have posted.
    One funny thing that occurred tonight. One of the other members and Ed, the State Bee Inspector, got into a discussion about the recent heavy frost that swept through Arkansas during Easter. This guy opened one of his hives to check the condition of the beetles. There were larvae lying motionless on the bottom board. This guy said they were apparently dead from the cold. Ed responded with the information that they had frozen larvae until they were hard, then allowed them to defrost with the result that the larvae revived. This guy told Ed that these wouldn't revive because he had smashed them!
    Last edited by Jon McFadden; 04-20-2007 at 01:11 AM.
    Jon, N6VC/5

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    >>>these wouldn't revive because he had smashed them!

    Guaranteed SHB kill method: Use two blocks of wood. Place SHB on first block of wood. Bring two blocks of wood together with great force. Beware of spray.
    Bee all you can Bee!
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    I have SHBs here in Georgia - the bees kept them under control last year and I smashed them every time I saw one. I also bought from Brushy Mountain, I believe, a SHB trap that goes on a frame and is armed with apple cider vinegar that the SHBs love to dive into. Every time I opened the hive at the end of last season there would be 30 or so dead SHB floating in the apple cider vinegar.

    Jamie Ellis and Keith Delaplane have been doing research on using nematodes to combat SHB. My hives are on my deck, however, and using nematodes I believe requires soil under the hives. The nematode has to be a specific type. I think there's a reference here:
    http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/Newsletter/aug2005.htm

    Jamie talked to our Metro Atlanta bee club about it but I'm at work and can't find the reference until I get home. Oh, here it is - from the meeting minutes:
    "The person to contact about nematodes for use in small hive beetle control is Louis Tedders of Southeastern Insectaries in Perry, Georgia. He will know which species to use, how to use them, and what it will cost. His phone number is 478-988-9412."

    Another supplier of the nematodes is:
    Jim Kluttz
    Beneficial Insect Company
    336-973-8490

    Linda T
    Last edited by Tillie; 04-25-2007 at 02:32 PM. Reason: got the info I needed the first time around!
    "You never can tell with bees...." Winnie the Pooh
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    The two species of nematodes are Heterohabditis indica and H. oswega. They locate and infest beetle pupae in the soil.

    This is still expermental and would be one step in a control program.

    One still needs to use control measures within the hive for adults. Mature beetles fly long distances to infect your hive.

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    SHB Lure

    Thanks for the link. I have some hood traps already, I'm gonna mix some lure and try it in them!!!
    sc-bee

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    I'm going for a full-on attack against the SHB this year. I always kill them when I open my hives, so although I have the Brushy Mtn. trap in two of my hives, I'm going to try the Mel and Sonny method.

    This morning I mixed up the lure and put it in a dark cabinet to ferment for a few days. I rounded up a few plastic bottle caps and will be off soon to buy plastic sandwich containers and FGMO.

    Here's my start:
    http://beekeeperlinda.blogspot.com/2...mall-hive.html

    I'll let you know how it works!

    Linda T in Atlanta where the SHB lives happily among the bees
    "You never can tell with bees...." Winnie the Pooh
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    Thank you, Jon, for starting this thread. Mel and Sonny are both so generous with their time and idea sharing. They've individually been answering emails from me and adding thoughts later - both of them.

    Anyone with any hesitation about contacting them should go right ahead. They seem eager to share and to pass this method of SHB attack on to others.

    I'm building a shallow box for my hive to go around the sandwich container. Who knew when I started beekeeping that I would be learning so much about constructing things! (Robber screens last year, SHB traps and 1X2 shim boxes this year!)

    I'll let you know how it goes.

    Linda T
    "You never can tell with bees...." Winnie the Pooh
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    Tillie,

    Brushy Mountain Traps for SHB. I like the idea of using vinegar instead of chemicals to catch the buggers. Is the a website to link to?

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    Here's the Brushy Mtn Bee site:
    http://www.brushymountainbeefarm.com....asp?pcode=296

    I'm working on making the SHB trap developed by Sonny and Mel, but was out of town and haven't gotten to it yet - I do have all the materials and have made the lure so I'm almost in business! Watch out Atlanta SHBs.

    Linda T
    "You never can tell with bees...." Winnie the Pooh
    http://beekeeperlinda.blogspot.com

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    Yesterday I put the whole small hive beetle trap together and installed it on my hives today. I made a video of the whole thing, if it would be helpful to anyone. The video is on my blog:

    http://beekeeperlinda.blogspot.com/2...trap-saga.html

    I'll let you know how many of the little bugs drown in the mineral oil!

    Linda T in Atlanta, hot on the trail of the SHB
    "You never can tell with bees...." Winnie the Pooh
    http://beekeeperlinda.blogspot.com

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    Smile

    I watch your video and was wondering are the holes you made big enough for the beetle to enter? Looked small from the video and the SHB I have here might not fit. So if none are inside that could be one reason.

    Anyway waiting for the results on the lure, to see what kind of luck you had with it. Hopes it works wonders because I will sure use it if it does.
    An empty wagon rattles the loudest.

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