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    Just wanted to ask a couple quick questions about Hawaii. Has anyone heard if the "CCD" has bee confirmed, I mean are they having the same problems?
    One of the symtoms of CCD is that colonies in the same yard will not rob dead ones or equipment that has had suspected CCD, do you think this is because of contamination or a symptom of the sick bees.
    My bees seem to rob them heavily after the equipment has sat for about two weeks, but within that two weeks, in my case, the bees also looked like they were making a strong come back.
    My personal feeling, at present, is that it is an auto immune type of disease, most likely brought from another country. I say this because of the speed that it traveled and how much loss there was across the board. Every beekeeper did something different with very similar results. In my case it really seemed to cooralate to mite load. I had a yard of 50 colonies, that didn't get the last dose of OA. I lost 48 out of 50. Other yards were averaging about 50% loss. The nucs I had made at the end of the summer were my best bees at the end of January.
    Guess we'll see.....or maybe not. We will just tell our kids when it happens again in 50 years ...." I remember back in ought 7, ......the great die off it was called......or was it CCD........now what did CCD stand for again?.....can't remember, oh well turn on MattLock"

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    Look under diseases and pests in the general forum "Tentative Recomendations for hives experiencing CCD. When you download the link it will have reccomendations on how to deal with the equipment from the lost hives.
    doug

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    >I lost 48 out of 50

    sierrabees

    Years that I find heavey losses, as you are, I'll take all the survivours and collect them to make up a single yard. Few years ago I made one yard of 32 from 4 heavey loss yards.
    Test and relieve any linguring symtoms of disease,
    That yard will be the last yard to fail again.
    Do that routeenly, and you will have some good genetics linguring in that yard to pull from!

    I do that along side of a yard that I pull my best hives from. Good winters, builders, gentle, honey producers, ect,.
    It gives the operation a good bench mark to follow, a place to mingle your best hives to also pull from!
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
    www.stepplerfarms.com

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    1) Where did you source your queens?

    2) When did you requeen the hives that failed/died?

    I'm kinda surprised that no one has mentioned this factor,
    as it makes more sense to me that a problem that appeared
    at about the same time "all over the place" would be spread
    by inputs to beekeeping, as a normal spread of "disease"
    would show up somewhere "first", and then spread from that
    area.

    I guess the various queen suppliers are so touchy about any
    mention that they (gasp!) might be the source of any problem
    that the research team is loathe to mention "queens".

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    Certainly possible queens could be a problem. But still is awfully wide spread and with many different sources of queens from what I've gathered. My own hives suffered badly (my queens from Sue Cobey's stock), yet my II queen mothers did much better, and some with my queens had few losses (though had some trouble with queens from elsewhere).

    So it does lead me to believe genetics can be playing a part (either preventing or resisting the problem), but I don't think that's the whole picture.

    -Tim

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    The symptoms of CCD were NOT seen in Hawaii.

    What they had was a simple pesticide kill at one location
    on one island, and this incident was offered up as a TESTBED
    to compare and contrast a known "Imidiclorprid kill" to what
    is being seen with CCD.

    The symptoms were not at all similar to CCD, but the offer of
    the kill as a "testbed" may have resulted in garbled communications.


    This clarification comes from Gus Rouse (Kona Queen) in Hawaii,
    who e-mailed me today:

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    "This all came about after we received a "spray kill" on one location.
    The farmer had notified me that he had used the systemic imidiclorprid.
    I offered up this info to the [Board Of Directors] of [the American
    Beekeeping Federation] as a possible way to clarify this particular cause
    to CCD. My thinking was that tests could be done on my bees without the
    complications of varroa mites or controls, viruses, etc.

    Of course within 48 hours we were getting calls from all over the country!
    We are fine.

    I contacted Dennis and Mary Ann at Penn State and they had me do a few things.
    For one, we put out combs and they were robbed out in a few hours.
    Two, just the field force was damaged and three, all hives recovered
    quickly. We have just had another coffee bloom and I have been checking
    for damage and have seen none to date."

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