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  1. #1
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    Default Any 6.5 Chev Turbo Diesel Owners??

    I just picked up a 1 ton 4x4 dually with a bad block.

    Do any of you have a line on a good short block builders
    out there?? I want one with a new crank and built well
    beyond OEM specs.

    The guy in the last 2000 miles did this

    New heads
    New turbo
    Rebuilt trany
    New chip
    New waste gate controller
    New Shocks
    New Tires
    and more.

    Then he broke the crank......

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    Default Good Block

    Good luck finding anything. Last one I had to sign off on had over 125K on it for $5k I believe. I think I had my guy settle the claim for $$$$ & cust paid betterment towards a new crate motor. Had to turn down a Dura Max Diesel engine claim due to cust. over rev. I think a motor for this deal was over 13K. Diesels are nice untill they break. .80 cent honey & fixing diesels don't work real well.

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    Bruce just call gm and get it, any aftermarket that prices lower than gm will be junk. These days the dealerships have brought the prices down to meet the aftermarket on most parts. I am an ase master auto tecnician 20 years.

    That is if you want a short block, if it were me I would get a long block and save the heads off of the old engine. The reason is the long block is going to have probably 3 year 100,000 mile warranty on it and the short block is probably going to have 12 months or less warranty and the price probably is not a whole lot different. Check in to it and see. If there is a core charge on the old engine ask the guy if he still has the old heads and bolt them onto the core.

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    Default Good Block

    Ruben,
    I work for a GM owned company.
    I would not nor would our company ever put a crank in anything in this day & age. Let alone a 100k Diesel. Yes you may sneak by & get lucky but why risk it & all the money to boot!
    Most 6.5's that break cranks have shifting line bore problems. Many will have the casting twist. Also have had over the years a lot of higher mile 6.5's suffer from internal block craks that allow water seapage.

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    There's a high performance place in Westbrook Maine, but I don't think that helps! Go on ebay and buy a short block.

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    As I said this has new heads already. I just can't
    see popping for new heads.

    Here's a short block that looks interesting..... I like
    the idea of a new crank for sure....

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...9826503&rd=1,1

    What do you all think of this one???

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    SoupCan you need to go back and read my post I never said anything about a crank. I would not put a crank in it either I stated long vs short block. I don't know where you came up with me stating anything about a crank.


    Bruce
    A brand new GM engine is $8200 that is BRAND NEW and probably has the injection pump and turbo on it. The one you posted that is on Ebay may be ok if you are looking to sell the truck but if you want to keep it I would recommend a Jasper Rebuilt Engine that comes with a great warranty. Jasper is a top of the line quality company. I check and a rebuilt 6.5 with the heads on it is about $4750.00 through Jasper and they perform the following updates to ensure you don't get the pattern failures that the 6.5 originally had from GM. 3 year 75,000 warranty from jasper will be better than the probably 6 month 3,000 mile warranty the Ebay deal would have. For $1000.00 you will get a much better complete engine Bruce that will save you money in the long run. It's what I would do, unless you want to sell the truck then I would go the cheapest route.

    Jasper 6.5L UPDATES
    BLOCK INFO:
    -TO ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF BLOW-BY,
    all blocks are Torque plate honed to eliminate
    cylinder wall distortion.
    -FOR THE BEST POSSIBLE CYLINDER FINISH,
    while torque plate honing, an additional .005 to .006
    material is left in the cylinders when the block is bored.
    -NO CYLINDER SLEEVING is permitted in any cylinders
    of the block. (Block structure does not allow the
    correct amount of pressure).
    ----------------
    TO ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILTY OF MAIN
    BEARING FAILURE,
    -Engine bearings are pre-lubed with AL22 Teflon. (The
    coating prevents bearing scuffing during engine startup)
    -Crankshafts are ground and polished in the same
    direction as engine rotation. (This provides the best
    possible journal finish, removing ferrite peaks )
    ------------------
    TO ELIMINATE THE CHANCE OF PISTON TO
    VALVE CONTACT, piston height is limited to no more
    than .010 above the deck surface of the block.
    -------------------
    TO ELIMINATE PREMATURE ROCKER ARM
    FAILURES, we use 100% NEW push rods, rockers and
    lifters are installed.
    -------------------
    TO IMPROVE THE VALVE TO SEAT CONTACT,
    after seats are cut on the Serdi they are torque plated
    and seats are touched with a stone grinder.
    ---------------------
    TO REDUCE THE CHANCE OF OIL CONSUMPTION
    each oil pan, timing cover and valve cover is installed using
    Three Bond 1217-GM silicone to install them.
    (Silicone is resistant to oil and high temperatures)
    ---------------------
    TO ENSURE PROPER LIFTER TO BORE
    CLEARANCE, all lifter bores are inspected with a plug gauge.
    ---------------------
    Last edited by Ruben; 03-12-2007 at 09:57 AM.

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    Thanks Ruben..... I have some thinking to do.

    I bought this as is and intend to run it for quite some
    time.

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    Ruben,

    The reason the one on ebay is appealing is that it is
    a new block with new components. Not a machined
    crank.

    It has:

    Stage Includes

    1. Exceptional 6500 block;

    2. New Crank;

    3. New Cam;

    4. New Pistons and Rings

    5. New Bearings

    6. Oil Pump (not installed)

    7. Installation Gasket Set

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    Stage Includes

    1. Exceptional 6500 block; ---This is just a sales pitch name

    2. New Crank;----- New does not mean good, could be reject cranks from Chevy that do not meet thier tolerances for hardness or other things.

    3. New Cam; --------even quality rebuilts all have new cams

    4. New Pistons and Rings -----------even quality rebuilts all have new pistons and rings

    5. New Bearings -------- all rebuilts have new bearings

    6. Oil Pump (not installed)------Jaspers are usually installed and have the oil pan already on. but all rebuilts have this.

    7. Installation Gasket Set ------ Come with all rebuilts

    I went to yahoo and did a search on RJ Performance which is the company that does this engine on Ebay, The search engine found 2 hits on the Company. I did a search on Jasper Engines, I made it to the 50th page and 500 hits for Jasper and I stopped looking. I am weary of an engine manufacturer that only gets two hits, our auto shop gets 6 hits and we just work on cars in Lexington, Virginia.

    I copied the warranty from the website of the one on Ebay
    Xceptional 6500 Series Stage 1 Short Blocks:

    a. 90 Days (All Vehicles), Unlimited Miles, parts only. ---- Your out of the labor costs if there is a problem.

    b. Repair, replace or refund at the option of RJ Performance, the allegedly defective engine or part. ----- EEWWWWW that sounds like trouble

    c. Warranty only covers the components supplied, with the exclusion of the brand name seals and
    gaskets supplied. ------You pay for all of the gaskets and seals for a failure also OUCH

    d. Crank Shaft Failures are exempt for warranty policy, unless failure was due to improper installation. DO WHAT, SAY WHAT

    e. All Labor Costs are Excluded ----HUH?

    Bruce run from this thing, seriously. I'm just trying to keep you from making a big mistake, while I don't know you I feel all the BeeSource people are my friends and I want your truck to haul bees for a long time. Feel free to call me Bruce and I would be happy to help you come up with different options. PM me and I will send you my phone numbers.
    Last edited by Ruben; 03-12-2007 at 05:59 PM.

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    Will do Ruben. Thanks for putting the light of reality
    on this. When you went over that it does sound pretty
    shady.

    Like how can there be a crank installation problem if
    they are the ones that installed it into the short
    block.

    I'll PM you tomorrow as I will take you up on your
    offer. I can't afford to make a screw up here.

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    Just a quick thanks to all, especially Ruben and his
    phone advise. I took his advise and ordered a new
    long block with a 3 year/ 75,000 mile parts and labor
    warranty. I'll pull the newer heads off the old engine
    and buy a pair of junk ones to return with the core.

    I also ordered the cooling upgrade from SS Diesel that
    gives the pre-97 6.5 diesels a jump from the stock 87
    gallon per minute to 130 GPM to keep those heads
    cool.

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