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  1. #1
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    Do you find that numering the frames keeps them in order, and is this important? Or do they just get switched around with manipulations? I'm thinking that a little more care with free hanging comb might in order??? Any thoughts?
    Thank you.

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    All of my frames are numbered. Its helpful in keeping track of things like age and foundation type. I scribed "Fr1, Fr2" etc into top bar using an engraving tool intended for metal. They do get "switched around", and keeping them in order can sometimes be important. "Special" frames (unwired and/or no founation) could be marked w/ a thumb tack making you aware they need "special handling".

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    I numbered mine 1,2,3,4 and then when I inserted a frame between 2 and 3 and numbered it 2a etc. I suppose I could have done the programmer's line number method and numbered them 10, 20, 30, 40 and then put 25 between 20 and 30. [img]smile.gif[/img]

    I think it helps to put them back where you got them. A wave in one comb carries through several others. A comb that gets off center a little pushes the next comb over. Mixing them up can result in comb touching comb and getting attached.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    I spray-painted all the tops of one end because in the excitement of looking at them I forget which side was which in the hive.

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    Mine are numbered on one end so I can't "forget which side was which in the hive". [img]smile.gif[/img]

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    I never numbered, I just ran a diagonal stripe
    across the brood-chamber frame top-bars, and
    that kept things easy.

    But then I realized that the bees really only
    cared about the relative position of the actual
    brood area frames, so I stopped marking frames,
    and started looking at the extent of the brood
    area itself.

    Once the weather is warm, and colony population
    is strong, there's no harm in even the level of
    manipulation practiced by Walt Wright - his
    approach ("Checkerboarding") suggests that the
    beekeeper shuffle frames like a Las Vegas
    blackjack dealer.

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    One other thing - I do put colored (flat)
    thumbtacks in each frame to track the age
    of the comb.
    Queen colors, of course.
    Same scheme.

    This year, I pulled and replaced all the frames
    with white thumbtacks with reworked frames that
    also had white thumbtacks. With 2 frames replaced
    each year per brood chamber, I completely replace
    all the brood comb every 5 years, and no one frame
    of comb is older than 5 years before it gets
    melted down and cleaned up/reworked.

    It may not be for everyone, but it is foolproof
    and requires no boring record-keeping, as the
    frames are self-documenting.

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    Jim, 2 frames per year.....all frames exchanged in 5 years....that means you have 10 frames(bars) in your tbh??? I assume your talking about a standard hive with ten frames, with regards to this thread focused on tbh's. Of course I started the thread mentioning "frames" and I am surprised some technical anal minded type has not called me out on that fact. Sorry if I confused anyone.

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    > ..that means you have 10 frames(bars) in your tbh?

    I don't run TBH hives, as the bees just don't care
    what sort of box they are given, and my view of
    "alternative" hive designs is rather harsh as a
    result.

    > I started the thread mentioning "frames" and I
    > am surprised some technical anal minded type has
    > not called me out

    Yeah, I assumed that when you said "frames"
    you meant "frames", rather than top-bar-hive
    top-bars. Either way, recycling comb is not
    optional. One needs a system to manage it
    and assure that no combs are overlooked.

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    "I don't run TBH hives, as the bees just don't care
    what sort of box they are given, and my view of
    "alternative" hive designs is rather harsh as a
    result."

    Gosh Jim, an here I was thinking you were giving natural cell a try finally!!
    "I reject your reality, and substitute my own." Adam Savage

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    I number my frames, front to back with a sharpie. If I rearrange the bars I cross out the numbers and write new ones in. The numbers help me to remember what I have done as far as bar insertions, rearrangements, etc.. They also help me to maintain alignment so that I do not reverse any bars as I place them back into the hive. When my bars are covered with crossed out numbers I guess I will just paint the tops and start over.

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