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    when adding a super, how many bars do need to take out to allow for sufficient bee entry into the super?thanks!
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    I don't know about adding a super, but i do know that when i remove one bar from my hive, out come enough bees to fill the cab of my truck.

    I put a super on last year and nothing happened.

    I put a super on this year and so far---nothing happened.

    Last year they were in better shape than they are now, but my timing was not right.

    This year i cut the ends off an extra bar and put them in the gaps where i removed the bar under the super. I like that, it dosen't leak bees.

    Today i requeened a nuc that i split off two days ago for to put back into this hive when i've time to find the present one. There are a LOT of MEAN bees in there right now,

    I would think one bar would be enough, but maybe not! I have not had success.

    Sounds to me like i'm no help at all.

    I think i'll wait to see what the real TBH folks have to say!

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    I have a top entrance so when I put the super on I don't move ANY bars. I just put the super on the front and the bees have to enter the super to get into the hive. But you can just put a 1/4" gap between one or two bars for them to get access. Getting them to go in there is the harder part, which I deal with with the top entrance system.
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    I thought the idea was that TBHs didn;t need supers, if one makes one large enough?
    For those adding supers, are the conventional supers?
    And, Mr. Bush, I am having a hard time visualizing what you are saying about the "top entrance" and how it works with the super.
    Got a photo link?

    Roy Barger

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    I just built a couple of gadgets that are a combination of a miller feeder and a top entrance

    http://www.drobbins.net/bee's/tf/

    imagine as you add supers you just keep moving this to the top of the stack so the bees are forced thru the supers to get to the hive
    of course you only use the feeder part when your not collecting honey for human use

    Dave

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    >I thought the idea was that TBHs didn;t need supers, if one makes one large enough?

    I would say they don't need supers if you harvest often enough. But I think you'll get more honey if they can spread the nectar out more.

    >For those adding supers, are the conventional supers?

    Mine are.

    >And, Mr. Bush, I am having a hard time visualizing what you are saying about the "top entrance" and how it works with the super.

    First, the entrance to my top bar hives is through the top. The front bar is back 3/8" or more from the front of the hive. That gap is the entrance. The TTBH has the bars in the rabbets (it's just a long medium Langstroth box really), so it needs a gap for the lid too. That is just a 1/4" piece of wood on each end of a migratory cover like this:

    http://www.bushfarms.com/images/Migr...pEntrance2.JPG

    or this:
    http://www.bushfarms.com/images/LongHiveFront.JPG

    So I just add the super like this:

    http://www.bushfarms.com/images/LongHiveSupered.JPG

    And now the bees go in the top entrance on the super and down through the supers into the hive through the gap in front of the front bar.

    The KTBH has the bars on top of the sides like this:
    http://www.bushfarms.com/images/KTBH4.JPG

    So the gap in front of the first bar is the entrance and the lid sets on top of that. So the vertical space is the height of the bars (in this case 3/4") and the horizontal space is the gap at the front (in this case between 3/8" and 3/4" depending on the humidity that day).
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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