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    The following was published in Malcolm Sanford's
    "Apis" e-mail newsletter, to which one can subscribe
    here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Apis_Newsletter/

    The idea that smaller cell size is better for bee
    health, including Varroa tolerance has been
    around a while. Last month's Bee Culture and a
    recent issue of The Beekeepers Quarterly featured
    an article by Hans-Otto Johnsen that appeared to
    reinforce this notion...

    Inquiries to Norway, however, resulted in the following message:

    From: "Stine Helland" <stine.helland@bluezone.no>
    To: "Malcolm T. Sanford" <beeactor@earthlink.net>,
    Subject: Re: Small Cell Study
    Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:06:51 +0200
    Illegal publication of test results!

    About the articles: Johnsen, H. O., 2005. Commercial Beekeeping In
    Norway
    . BeeCulture, September 2005, page 37-40. and the same article
    published in The Beekeepers Quarterly, Number 80. Spring 2005.

    A large amount of this article describes results from a test of
    different cell sizes in beehives, accomplished in Norway in the
    period 2002-2004. This is a test that the Norwegian Beekeepers
    Association has started and are responsible for, a fact that Johnsen
    neglected in his article. The Norwegian Beekeepers Association owns
    both the test and the exclusive rights to publish any of the results.

    Hans Otto Johnsen has had knowledge to some of the preliminary
    results, because he has been one of the people doing the practical
    work with this project. He has also been fully aware of the
    Norwegian Beekeepers Associations ownership to the results. The
    trust he has been shown, he has used against us, publishing parts of
    the results in his articles in Bee Culture and The Beekeepers
    Quarterly
    . It should be stressed that the total results from the
    test so far appears to have a rather different conclusion than
    Johnsen's.


    It is important for the Norwegian Beekeepers Association to point
    out that the test is not finished, that the results in the mentioned
    articles is taken out of a larger context, and that Johnsen has
    published some of the preliminary results without the approval of
    the Norwegian Beekeepers Association.

    As you see, we did not know of the article before you gave us a
    hint, and we are very thankful of that. If there are more people
    who need to know about these facts, please do not hesitate to inform
    them. The Norwegian Beekeepers organisation will send the same
    information to the actual magazines.

    Best wishes, Stine Helland."
    I sure hope that Hans-Otto Johnsen's
    "pre-publication" of the results will not prevent
    publication of the actual results in a legitimate
    peer-reviewed journal. (Understand that most
    legit journals simply will not publish something
    that has been published elsewhere before - they
    want to be the sole "announcer" of the results.)

    I'm not going to comment on the claim that
    Mr. Johnsen's article was somehow "illegal", as
    I know of no such criminal statute in Norway, or
    for that matter, anywhere else.

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    I look forward to reading the complete results.

    I have never thought of ABJ as being a "true" journal. Having a BS in Biology/Enivironmental Science I have read my share of journals. And am grateful it is not a journal (dry reading folks).

    I feel they should drop the "journal" from their title. I will continue to subscribe as I like the mag. But a journal it is not.

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    Sundance

    The article referred to in the email was in Bee Culture, not ABJ, although your comments may apply equally to BC.

    Jim

    Thanks for posting this email, I had missed it earlier. This is potentially very important I think.

    Any idea when the Norwegian Beekeepers Assoc. will be in a position to publish the complete results?

    Given the circulation of BC, I would think they should respond to BC directly asap and get their data published, even if incomplete.

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    > Given the circulation of BC, I would think they
    > should respond to BC directly asap and get their
    > data published, even if incomplete.

    All involved in Norway, USA, and UK are working
    on a consensus about what should be done.
    Bottom line, the results aren't in yet, so there
    will be a lag between the "preliminary and
    partial" results published "without approval"
    and the publication of the full and final
    results.

    There is little or no motivation to hurry up
    and publish a "rebuttal", as there is no need
    to "refute" something that was published by
    a single "loose cannon" in the "popular press".

    If he had somehow gotten something published in
    a peer-reviewed journal, and thereby misrepresented
    the preliminary and partial results as "Science
    with a capital 's'", then there would be Hell to pay.

    The sad part is that the final work will be
    forced to compete for attention with the
    unauthorized publication unless the final work
    goes out of its way to "trash" the unauthorized
    publication.

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    Jim

    Is there a refereed (peer reviewed) bee journal?

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    > Is there a refereed (peer reviewed) bee journal?

    Well, ABJ tries to pretend it is, but it
    really is not. It serves as a repository
    for papers that are hard to publish in the
    real peer-reviewed journals, and it does not
    look all that bad in one's CV, as it does
    have the word "Journal" in the title.

    Bee Culture openly refuses to publish anything
    written in the format of a "scientific paper",
    as it is the "New Yorker" of the beekeeping
    world. They want good writing and actual
    stories rather than turgid prose that one needs
    to slog though with hip-waders.

    The list of peer-reviewed journals that
    publish papers about bees is very long,
    but here's a neat narrow-focus citation
    index of papers published on bees to
    help you get started.

    http://www.geocities.com/BeesInd/Bee...uthorindex.htm

    With this, and inter-library loan, you
    are in business, and can "keep up" with
    whats going on.

    WARNING - Reading actual Science on bees may
    result in a complete inability to drink the
    Kool-Aid on MANY of the approaches to beekeeping
    discussed on the internet, and may even result
    in one or more people mistaking you for me. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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