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  1. #1
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    Anybody that has bought the new fully drawn frames from H-S-Cell got any opinions on the new frames? Been waiting for some comments before I shelled out some money. :confused:
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    They look like they are the same material and quality as the PermaComb. Very similar looking except that they include the spacer, they are deeps, and they are slightly smaller cells.

    I put them in untreated in any way to see what would happen and haven't seen any progress yet, but then I haven't been watching closely. If they don't accept it straight I will try spraying with syrup and then if that doesn't go well I'll try rubbing a bar of wax on the surface of the mouths of the cells.

    They are 4.9mm inside diameter, which makes them slightly bigger than I would like but still nicely small. I would prefer 4.8mm inside diameter and would accept 4.7mm inside diameter.

    If it's smaller than 4.6mm I'm not sure how the bees will accept it.

    Now if they would just make them in 4.8mm inside diameter, medium depth and 1 1/4" spacing...
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    I bought one case of them and placed them on the hives last week. I haven't been back to see how they are doing yet. I also had a swarm call, and placed a swarm on some, but again haven't checked to see how they are doing yet. They are quite heavey, and look to be well made, and I hope will last a long time, at the price paid for them, they should last a long time.
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    I went an checked one of the swarms I installed on these frames. The big thing that jumps out is it's really hard to see any of the younger brood in these cells. After being on these frames for two weeks, the queen has laid a fairly decent brood pattern on one of them, from what I can see, which ain't much. The bigger thing is they have filled alot of these frames with nector and pollen, and seem to prefer drawing foundation for the queen to lay in. I had another swarm that left a hive in which I had 3 of these frames in. Not sure if they are the reason, though.
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    Mine still haven't used them. Maybe this weekend I'll spray them with syrup.
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    Well. I put a swarm on four frames of HSC with one frame of honey in PC in the middle last Wednesday. When I checked it this morning there were about a hundred bees in the nuc. They had moved some of the old honey from the PC to the HSC and gathered a little nectar, but sadly, they had flown the coop.

    The swarm I installed on five frames os HSC sprayed with HFCS yesterday was on the outside of the box this morning. None inside of the box, they covered the outside and were under it too. It was a massive swarm so I thought that perhaps it was too crowded for them so I got another nuc body and sprayed the five frames of HSC and shook the bees back into the box. Or at least I tried to. It turned into a chinese fire drill and they took flight.

    Geez there was a bunch of bees in the air. Earlier I found a tiny swarm on the ground under the Oak tree. I put a two frame nuc next to it so they could walk into it. But the gigantic swarm in the air made them take flight too. Eventully they landed on the limb just over where the tiny one was earlier. Except now it was huge but I had to leave for work so I just set a nuc a few inches under it and hoped for the best.

    Before leaving I looked under the nuc box where the large swarm came from and found a small clump of bees balling what I suposed was a queen. So I tossed it into the nearly empty nuc with the hundred bees on HSC.

    When I came home the swarm in the tree was gone but in the redbud tree was an even larger one [img]smile.gif[/img] on the trunk about twenty foot up So I set up three scaffolds that would make Darwin proud (except I tied it to the tree). I took one of the styrofome nucs with 3 HSC frames and two frames with wax from cut-outs way up there and started scooping bees off the trunk and into the nuc. I decided that there were way too many bees to fit in the nuc so I quit when I saw that they were fanning leaving a good three pounds on the tree. I took the nuc to the yard and opened it up, I was glad to see that they were not coming out.

    I was tending to a cut-out I did this afternoon, a sloppy job of just vacing bees and stuffing comb into a bucket. I am sure that I lost the queen. Eh, no matter. On my way home I stopped and trimmed a tiny hive out of a bush that had two combs about the size of your hand. I had put it in a deep nuc and installed sc medium frames over it and set it next to the homeless and queenless bucket of bees when I noticed swarming again

    I figured they were coming out of the just installed nuc, but no those were staying put. It was the bees that I left in the tree swarming into the nuc with the hundred bees and the balled queen! Wow, go figure!

    So, what looked like this morning to be two refused HSC nucs turned out to be two very large and reinstalled swarms. Sometimes things work out no matter what you do.

    The first nuc had one framd of honey and four HSC that was not sprayed.

    The second one had five frames of HSC that was sprayed with HFCS (perhaps fermented?)

    Both swarms left but were possibly overcrowded.

    I'm not sold on the HSC yet, but it could be my fault for not giving them enough room.
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    Bill

    Don't suppose we shouldn't oughta try to install swarms on these here shc frames...do ya? Sounds like you had the same luck I had.
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    I dunno yet. I expect that everything I pick up here in the city is ferral, so I would think that they should take right to sc as they came right off of it.

    Until I can rule out that the swarms were too big for the box I was trying to put them into, or that the syrup may have been fermented, chasing them out, I can't really make the call yet.

    I'm on my way to pick up another swarm that has been setting on a sign for five days, I'll see what they do.
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    Why not put queen excluder material on the hive entrance. Force the girls to stay.
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    I have the round entrance discs on all of my nuc boxes I use for pickups. I could easily have restricted them but am not in the habit because it has not been a problem.

    I figure if they won't stay in the box, I need to find out why. So far this year, the only swarms that would not stay were either overcrowded or on HSC, but those on HSC are back in the box, one all by itself, the other needed help.

    I picked up a small swarm today and put three HSC in the box sprayed with the majic elixor, (HBH) and a used PC on one side and a medium frame with sc from a cutout on the other. I will watch and see what they do, they were content this evening.
    Bullseye Bill in The Scenic Flint Hills , KS
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    Please keep us updated. I would also like reviews before I decide to order any. Thanks!

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    I just checked and all the HSC I have is being used by the bees now. It either has honey it in or brood in it. I did crowd them a bit to get them started on it though. I'd say you have the same issues as any plastic. It would probably have gone quicker if I sprayed it with syrup, but I wanted to see what they would do first.

    Also, Max Hamby called me today to make sure I understood how to get it accepted. That's pretty good customer service. [img]smile.gif[/img] He and Dee Lusby have been discussing the cell size issue. In order to get the mold to release the top of the cell has to be larger than the bottom. So the bottoms of the cells are actually 4.8mm while the mouth is 4.9mm. That would average out to 4.85mm i.d. which would be the equivelant to 4.95mm. That should be sufficient for varroa control. Maybe, if I get time, (not likely this time of year) I'll try to get a frame of it in my observation hive so I can time the capping and emergence times.
    Michael Bush bushfarms.com/bees.htm "Everything works if you let it." ThePracticalBeekeeper.com 40y 200h 37yTF

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    Peggy and I took some pics of one of the swarms we put supercell frames in. I had some undrawen frames of foundation in this hive as well, and took some for comparision. Enjoy. [img]smile.gif[/img]







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    Very encouraging......... I have yet
    to introduce them. Next week I plan on
    slapping them into the brood nests on
    a bunch of colonies.

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    where can i get some of these?

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    can you get it in mediums? I did not notice mediums available on the site

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    >can you get it in mediums?

    For now you will have to take them to a table saw and make your own.
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    I moved the brood box above a box full of HSC with a queen excluder. I sprayed the frames with sugar syrup and it has a super that's about half full. I will check back in a week to see if there's any progress.

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    Added a deep nuc box a week or so ago with three HSC and two w/w on the outsides. Today the HSC had the queen laying on it with capped brood, capped honey, eggs, and larve.

    It's working well for me so far.
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