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    Quick question...

    How do you guys strengthen/reinforce your all wax brood frames? I was wondering about only using pins and no wire. I won't ever extract these frames.

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    In mediums whether I use foundation or not, I don't use anything and I often extract them. In deeps I use pins and a wire "X" when I use foundation. On foundationless Dadant Deeps I've used a 1/16" welding rod horizontally in the center.

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    *sigh*...once again I'm thinking I should go all mediums.....

    You don't think 4 pins on each side would keep pure wax foundation stable?

    I just LOATHE wiring frames together, and the bees seem to mess up the small cell foundation right around the wires...causing me to cull more frames

    [This message has been edited by Branman (edited September 03, 2004).]

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    >*sigh*...once again I'm thinking I should go all mediums.....

    Of course you should.

    >You don't think 4 pins on each side would keep pure wax foundation stable?

    In deeps? On a hot day? Absolutely not. If the bees jump right on it and draw it? Maybe.

    >I just LOATHE wiring frames together, and the bees seem to mess up the small cell foundation right around the wires...causing me to cull more frames

    How about pressure embedding a 1/16" welding rod in the center? I did the "X" on my deeps with one wire on one side and one on the other and pins on both sides. I didn't embedd.
    http://www.beesource.com/eob/althive/bush/bush5.htm

    Or just starter strips.
    http://www.beesource.com/eob/althive/bush/bush4.htm

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    I use plastic foundation now, but I have used bobby pins (ladies hair pin) to hold the wax wired foundation. The bobby pins are longer and I think they provide a little better support than the store bought pins. If useing wax wired foundation, the pins were enough to hold the foundation in place provided that the foundation was drawn within a couple of weeks of installation. Wax wired foundation will tend to eventually bow if not "wired in". I would not count on any type of pin provideing adequate support for pure wax foundation.

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