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    Default How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    What is the best way to staple the bottom of Walter T. Kelley Frames? The design of the bottom seems like it makes them very prone to splitting when stapled.

    I don't really want to nail hundreds of frames by hand.

    Thanks for your help

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josiah Garber View Post
    What is the best way to staple the bottom of Walter T. Kelley Frames? The design of the bottom seems like it makes them very prone to splitting when stapled.

    I don't really want to nail hundreds of frames by hand.

    Thanks for your help
    I haven't really had an issue stapling the bottom of the Kelly frames. How are you stapling them and what size/length staple are you using?

    I've never done it, but it seems that a popular way to avoid splitting is to first soak them in water.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    I put about 50 of them together last night, with 1/4" crown staples 1" long. There were 4 that had a small spilt in them, and all 4 of them were still too stout to pull apart by hand. I put the staples in each of the bottom tenons at an angle (meaning not exactly perpendicular to the bottom piece.)

    The nails seem to split them worse, in my experience.
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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moots View Post
    I haven't really had an issue stapling the bottom of the Kelly frames. How are you stapling them and what size/length staple are you using?

    I've never done it, but it seems that a popular way to avoid splitting is to first soak them in water.
    There is a gap in the bottom bar at the ends that seems to make things more difficult. I am using 18 gauge 1 1/4" pneumatic staples.

    maybe soaking would be helpful I will need to try that.

    The bottom bars look like this.

    84.jpg

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Add some humidity. I shot pin nails shot vertically thru bottom bar into side bar. On dadant frames without the groove i shot 1qty 1.5". Crossnailing is not necessary, the glue provides the strength.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josiah Garber View Post
    There is a gap in the bottom bar at the ends that seems to make things more difficult. I am using 18 gauge 1 1/4" pneumatic staples.

    maybe soaking would be helpful I will need to try that.

    The bottom bars look like this.

    84.jpg
    Josiah,
    I use the 18 gauge 1 1/4" to nail the top bars on, however, I switch to 18 gauge 3/4" for the bottoms. I use Titebond III on both the tops and the bottoms and shoot two staples in the top on each side, as well as two on each side in the bottom, one to the left and one to the right of the slot in the bottom bar.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by burns375 View Post
    Add some humidity. I shot pin nails shot vertically thru bottom bar into side bar. On dadant frames without the groove i shot 1qty 1.5". Crossnailing is not necessary, the glue provides the strength.
    What type of gun do you use for your pin nails?

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moots View Post
    Josiah,
    I use the 18 gauge 1 1/4" to nail the top bars on, however, I switch to 18 gauge 3/4" for the bottoms. I use Titebond III on both the tops and the bottoms and shoot two staples in the top on each side, as well as two on each side in the bottom, one to the left and one to the right of the slot in the bottom bar.
    Very helpful I will try that.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moots View Post
    Josiah,
    I use the 18 gauge 1 1/4" to nail the top bars on, however, I switch to 18 gauge 3/4" for the bottoms. I use Titebond III on both the tops and the bottoms and shoot two staples in the top on each side, as well as two on each side in the bottom, one to the left and one to the right of the slot in the bottom bar.
    I am also curious how you go about gluing the frames. Do you just dip them in glue, nail them and then wipe it off with a wet rag or is there some more refined way to do it. It seems somewhat tedious to glue them, so I'd love to hear tips from the pros :-)

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Just completed 300 frames. W. Kelley, foundation-less.
    ended up purchasing a Senco 3/8 crown staple gun ($200), I am a GC so it will come handy for roofing jobs.
    I made the jig to assemble the frames, use glue with a small tip so you can drop a small amount onto the vertical surfaces. It will flow down to the bottom.
    Place the bottom piece in - this is where I get frustrated since the cut -(groove) at the end of the bottom rail is smaller than the "tenon" on the side bar. I ended up enlarging the space on a table saw, holding 10 of them together and shaving off a little. Than just press it into place and the 3/8" crown will bridge the gap. I believe the 1/4" will do just fine you will probably use 2 staples on either end. With the glue and staples once it dried it is rock solid.
    Hope this helped.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Soak them, it prevents splitting. i then use 3/4 inch staples to either side. Might be overkill, but you can't pull them apart.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    I picked up a harbor freight brad nailer and their 1" brads... I just couldn't find a way to staple them comfortably.

    Still had some splits, wish I had known about soaking.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josiah Garber View Post
    I am also curious how you go about gluing the frames. Do you just dip them in glue, nail them and then wipe it off with a wet rag or is there some more refined way to do it. It seems somewhat tedious to glue them, so I'd love to hear tips from the pros :-)
    Josiah,
    I also use a jig...If you don't have one, make one, or buy one, but it's a MUST! I place my end bars in the jig, and then drop a dab of Titebond III on the inside vertical edge of each "ear" of the side bars. With either a small paint brush or foam brush I spread the glue from the ears that it's dripped down and make sure to cover the entire bottom of the slot that will receive the top bar. Occasionsally, you'll get some running down the outside edge of the end bars, whcih you can swipe up with your brush. I then place in the top bars, give them a good little banging with a rubber mallet to make sure they are properly set and staple.
    Flip the jig and repeat the process for the bottom bars.

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    Default Re: How Can I Best Staple Bottoms of Walter T. Kelley Frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by tuzserhu View Post
    Just completed 300 frames. W. Kelley, foundation-less.
    ended up purchasing a Senco 3/8 crown staple gun ($200), I am a GC so it will come handy for roofing jobs.
    I made the jig to assemble the frames, use glue with a small tip so you can drop a small amount onto the vertical surfaces. It will flow down to the bottom.
    Place the bottom piece in - this is where I get frustrated since the cut -(groove) at the end of the bottom rail is smaller than the "tenon" on the side bar. I ended up enlarging the space on a table saw, holding 10 of them together and shaving off a little. Than just press it into place and the 3/8" crown will bridge the gap. I believe the 1/4" will do just fine you will probably use 2 staples on either end. With the glue and staples once it dried it is rock solid.
    Hope this helped.
    I'm using the 18 Gauge Staples which I believe are 3/8". It seemed like I was having trouble bridging the gap with them.

    What length of staples are you using

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