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  1. #1
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    I know a few of you have apple orchards.

    Mine is just getting started.

    I have 100 rootstocks coming in this spring. Is grafting a scion onto the rootstock as easy as it appears?

    Any pointers and reference material would be apprecated.

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    I am sure not a pro at it Sundance but have grafted a few crab apple trees. I just go to a tree and cut a pencil size limb off and make a wedge cut on the bottom of the limb--a sharp wedge look- then cut it off above a bud and take it to the crab apple tree and graft it onto a limb by splitting end of a small limb and inserting the scion or making a gouge into the trunk where i want to graft it on, use lots of bees wax heated in an old spoon etc, and really wax the wound and the end of the scion real good, it you use the end of the limb to graft with only the terminal bud it seems to work good for me. I am quite sure that a lot of people on this forum really know how to do it right-I am just a amature here!
    "Younz" have a great day, I will.

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    Thanks PN. This is my first year at "serious" grafting.

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    Grafting apples is fairly easy. I have used knives and an omaga tool. The omega graft is a cinch.

    Books: the best one is the grafter's handbook. It can be tough to find.
    http://www.wilsonirr.com/catalog_i28...l?catId=115409
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/184...Fencoding=UTF8

    I also like:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/064...Fencoding=UTF8

    Tools:
    Omega tools
    http://www.greenharvest.com.au/tools...ools_prod.html
    http://www.htc.com.au/omega/

    this is the one I have - it works very well:
    http://www.datrepair.com/grafting_tools.htm
    http://www.amleo.com/help-desk/html/gt2.html
    http://www.raintreenursery.com/catal...ProductID=T245

    Knives - cheap ones will dull fast and grinding them can be tricky. I like the knives by Tina. There are lots of places that have them. The walnut handled ones are excellent, but can be spendy.

    Big Horse Creek Farm, an antique apple nursery used an omega tool: http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/whatweoffer.htm

    Keith

    [size="1"][ March 24, 2006, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: kgbenson ][/size]
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    Sundance, I did 100 pears the year before last. I've also done about 30 apples. I've had best success with whip grafts (80%).

    For resources, I like this one:
    Grafting

    I received the scion wood for my pears through the USDA USDA-GRIN Since you are a private individual and not a researcher your request goes to the bottom of the list. I still ended up receiving 24 of the 25 accessions that I requested.

    Another good source for scion wood is Seed Saver Exchange. Seed Savers I gotten about a half dozen heirloom variteies through members that list in their Seed Savers Yearbook.

    Hope this helps,
    ND
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    www.rwva.org

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    Wow! Sounds fun Sundance!

    I just grafted 6 apples and 6 pears last weekend. Did another two apples today. What kind of rootstock you getting? Mine are on Bud 9 (semi-dwarfing) as I plan to espalier them on a fence. Have about 12 whips that I did last year that are ready for planting/topping/training this year.

    The grafting PDF NuclearDruid suggests is pretty clear, and probably all you need for grafting apples. If you're doing splice or whip grafts (or budding), leave the wax in the drawer! It's a pain and messy!

    For whip grafts, I match up the scion and stock, then wrap them with grafting rubbers (a thin rubbery strip kind of like a rubber band cut in half). Then I wrap that with either parafilm or RUBBER electrician's splicing tape, depending on my mood. Both work fine and keep the moisture in and the bad stuff out.

    When budding, I just wrap the bud with parafilm - no grafting rubber is needed.

    Grafting rubbers and parafilm can be bought at a decent garden supply store, or Google them to find an online supplier. You should be able to find the rubber electricians tape at a good hardware store. Note that the rubber (not vinyl) tape is thick on the roll - you stretch it out and it becomes nice and thin for wrapping the scion/stock with.

    Just last week a group (Backyard Fruit Growers) I'm a member of had it's annual Grafting Workshop and scion swap. I think there were something like 100 different varieties of apples, maybe 15 pears, some grapes, and some hardy kiwi. No stone fruits due to a plum pox outbreak here in PA (we're playing it safe). Maybe you can find a similar group near you. You might also want to check out NAFEX, a similar group that isn't as locally-based.

    I'll be grafting some persimmon as soon as they leaf out in a few more weeks.

    Hope this helps!

    -Pete
    Southeast PA - 7 colonies, local mutts on natural comb, TF
    George Imirie's INDEXED Pink Pages: http://goo.gl/WiZUH3

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    You guys are fantastic. Thanks for the info and links. Just what I needed.

    I have 100 Antonovka rootstock for my apples.

    25 Prunus americanus rootstock for plum work.

    Landing in mid May are:

    50 7/8" caliper "State Fair" Bud 118

    50 7/8" caliper "Sweet Sixteen" Bud 118

    100 3/4" caliper "Honey Crisp" Bud 118

    I am a bit excited to say the least. And nervous...

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    Just ordered the Grafters Handbook and the Omega tool.

    I plan to start a "nursery" row for apples.

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    Nice! Two of your apples are in my top 10 list from this fall's BYFG tasting of 85 or so apples. Sweet 16 was my #7 and Honey Crisp was my #10!

    If you get a chance and like a tart flavorful apple, try Goldrush! It's delicious, has some decent disease resistance, and just gets better with storage (it's a serious "keeper").

    Think you have the bee bug bad? Just wait 'till the apple bug kicks in!

    Have fun!

    -Pete
    Southeast PA - 7 colonies, local mutts on natural comb, TF
    George Imirie's INDEXED Pink Pages: http://goo.gl/WiZUH3

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    Thanks Pete,

    I am limited to zone 3 stock here. I have a few micro climate area that will support zone 4, but the vast majority have to be Z3.

    Honey Crisp sells extremely well I hear.

    Please list your top ten.

    Fireside is one of my favorite (cuz there was one in my yard as a kid I suppose).

    We had a Prairie Spy as well that I remember as good.

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    Perhaps we can start a scion exchange program????

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    I 2nd the Nafex idea and am jealous of you omega tool owners. The only quality ones I saw from Leonard's were about $800. I have obtained my trees and rootstock from Century Farm Orchards in REidsville NC. I think he took over a lot of Calhoun's business.

    My 2 years experience has been fun. I'm growing espalier trees on Bud-9. Prior to getting the first trees, I practiced grafting on pecan wood, made some nice fancy notches. But the apple wood was a lot harder, fingers got sliced. So I switched to a straight one inch cut. This made it tough to tape, so the wife and I cursed each other as we did it. Then I applied grafting wax to seal moisture out. It is smelly and sticky, but fairly cheap to buy. I did 11 trees last year and every one of them grew. One years growth did not fully strenghten the graft and 1 or 2 were lost when transplanted when the loose first wire beat on the tree in the wind.

    I bought more trees this year and have 30 grafts done. I also have a seedbed started to get pecan stock started.

    On the scion exchange, I'd join Nafex or Dave's Garden.

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    Do you have a link to daves garden??

    Have any of you used Treekote? Beeswax and tree wax sound good but hard to deal with.

    I am going to join NAFEX. Preliminary look made my heart skip a beat....... I have lost it!!

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    can you graft apple scions on to non fruit trees like ceder or pine

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    No you can't Cheviotgirl. The species of
    the rootstock and/or graft tree have to
    be the same. They can be different varieties
    of the same species though. ie. Cortland
    apple to Fireside apple.

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    When is the best time for grafting? Can it be done anytime?

    Fall? Winter? Spring? Summer?

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    Scads, Depends on the species and the type of grafting you are doing. Apples are often done when dormant using something like a whip graft. Budding is typically done in say June. Tropicals are done during a flush of growth etc.

    Keith
    Bee Sting Honey - So Good, It Hurts!

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    I am getting some scions from NPGS/GRIN
    Accessions for free any suggestions on where I can get something to graft them on to. I have done some reseach but I still dont know what to graft them on to. any ideas?

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    http://www.lawyernursery.com/

    I get rootstock from them for both
    apple and plum.

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