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  1. #61
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    I have compiled a list of beekeepers here in NH who are selling/breeding queens or who would be interested in the NEBBA.

  2. #62
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Mike,
    I understand a geographic/regional charter for a breeding group. However, as
    in tight selection for phenotypic characteristics, you're possibly missing
    out on a large pool of desirable germplasm by limiting your breeding pool
    to a specific area. If you came up with breeding goals and criteria, and
    then tested potential candidates, you'd have the best of both: selecting
    from a broader pool for specific expressions.

    This could be running asynchronously with local selection.

    Adam Finkelstien
    www.vpqueenbees.com

  3. #63
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    So is the bird ready to come out of the oven??? Shes been cooking for a few years??? Anyone up for getting people together for a meeting?

  4. #64
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Quote Originally Posted by THALL View Post
    So is the bird ready to come out of the oven??? Shes been cooking for a few years??? Anyone up for getting people together for a meeting?
    I'm not really interested in an association, but I am interested in helping those who are rearing queens become better breeders, and help all beekeepers learn (and practice) rearing/breeding.

    Id be happy to host a potluck sometime mid/late January in Leominster, Massachusetts if there is interest. If you reply, please let me know what evenings are good and what are impossible

    Deknow
    Sometimes the lights all shining on me
    Other times I can barely see. -The Grateful Dead

  5. #65
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Quote Originally Posted by deknow View Post
    I'm not really interested in an association, but I am interested in helping those who are rearing queens become better breeders, and help all beekeepers learn (and practice) rearing/breeding.

    Id be happy to host a potluck sometime mid/late January in Leominster, Massachusetts if there is interest. If you reply, please let me know what evenings are good and what are impossible

    Deknow
    ...or we could probably arrange a meeting of 10 people in Boston.

    If people want to get together, let's do it.
    Sometimes the lights all shining on me
    Other times I can barely see. -The Grateful Dead

  6. #66
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    What I'm looking for is to get to know other breeders in the North East (those whom I have not crossed paths with). What their paradigms are for running their apiary and to trade/buy stock with.

  7. #67
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Dean, I'd be interested. I've avoided raising queens but think it's time.

  8. #68
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    I'm up for a trip to Leominster. There's always something to learn, and this is an area I'm sadly lacking in.

    K

  9. #69
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Quote Originally Posted by THALL View Post
    What I'm looking for is to get to know other breeders in the North East (those whom I have not crossed paths with). What their paradigms are for running their apiary and to trade/buy stock with.
    That was the original idea behind this. To date, I haven't seen enough interest by those actually raising queens, to start a meaningful group. I may be wrong, and it is true that more are considering raising queens, but is there enough interest and enough expertise out there to get this off the ground now?

    I'm open to suggestions. I would be willing to host a meeting here in Vermont, as I have a large cell building apiary and a mating yard with 500+ mating nucs. It would have to be during the active queen rearing time...mid-June to mid-July, to be of any value. A busy time for everyone.

  10. #70
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Mike,
    I'm on board with a meeting somewhere in VT during June or July. Ill keep in touch with you as the season starts to wind up.

  11. #71
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    We really need something like this. I, too, would be interested in participating. I'm planning on some serious queen rearing this spring after a few years of watching/reading/learning. I've got more enthusiasm than experience, but I'd welcome the chance to help this group come together.

  12. #72
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    I'm raising and selling queens and nucs on a small scale in New Hampshire and Massachusetts. I'd be interested in a June/July meeting in Vermont with Michael Palmer if you're willing to include aspiring breeders. Set a date and I'll be there.

  13. #73
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Hi,
    Did you guys found this association?
    Thanks

  14. #74
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    After skimming through this thread, there seems to be some hesitation of where to draw the
    boundry lines...And there are a lot of big fat toes that might get stepped on...
    How bout--If you live in the northeast US, and you have $20 you can be a member,
    period...But if you want to be a listed "Breeder of queens or stock" you have to pay $200
    and be subject to an evaluation of your stock and management ... Kind of a survival scale
    for the stock you offer...You start with 50 points and if your avg winter temp is less than
    32F and you winter outside, you get an additional 10 point,,,if you get more than 48 inches
    of snow per season you get an additional 10 points ...altitude above or below 3000ft,plus
    or minus 10points...survivor stock 10points...
    there could also be minus points...AHB area minus 10 points,,,100miles from AHB minus 5
    points..ect. ect.you end up with a # that represents the hardiness of your stock to winter.
    Or you could have a rating for your bees like fertilizer has---10-10-10--each # representing
    a different trait in relation to wintering....
    Now as a paying member you get the rite to buy from the listed breeders at a discount,,
    plus attend a regional sponsored convention or educational day...plus 1 vote on regional
    matters....
    And the breeders get recognition of their stock evaluated on a sliding scale,,as well as
    cooperative meetings, and engauge in the Associations efforts to provide the
    beekeeping world with superior gernetics to the general public...

    ...Just thinking...outside of the box...

    ==McBee7==

  15. #75
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    MP, I'm not from your region, but I am a northerner who would be very interested in seeing this get off the ground in a big way so that we have more options when it comes to queens, that is, northern raised queens that are more suitable for us up here. As you say, the demand for early southern packages in the north every year is something that must be addressed also, but obviously, there is little we can do about that as our climate prevents the raising of northern packages early enough and in the quantities that are required to meet demand. Your dedication to promoting the raising of late summer nuc's and overwintering them by northern beekeepers is really the only thing that comes close to partially solving the package bee dilemma, so keep up the good work.

  16. #76
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    I have been off this site for a couple years, although quite active in bees during that time, and was wondering if anyone could update me if this ever took off or what the current status is? Thanks,
    -Dave

  17. #77
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    While you're all at it, some friendly suggestions from Southern California

    The exclusive nature of the group's cause (and comparatively limited number of candidates for membership) has cost you several years (seemingly due to not enough members advanced far enough in breeding), so why not open it up to everyone, and have separate committees on areas / winter temperature groups / mite tolerance strains / queen raising vs. honeybee breeding, etc.?

    From my experience in several organizations, numbers of members and fervency of enthusiasm of those members are the driving forces when it comes to getting stuff done. Throw in an adept leader and WOW!!!

    Schedule more meetings in the of season than during the 80-hour workday season, and a monthly social for those not so intensely involved that they can still go.

    A group cooperating in bulk ordering alone will probably result in more North Eastern beekeepers becoming queen rearing specialists and eventually honeybee breeders.

    Formalizing standards of breeding, testing for trait expression, etc. will really help many who are almost there start talking apples and apples instead of apples and avocadoes. Just a group getting together talking about these concepts is really going to help. The website is an awesome idea.

    A list of communal open-mating yards would be a big help for those rearing queens and not yet breeding them. Conversely, a STAY-AWAY list for isolated drone-flooding yards would keep a breeder's bloodlines more pure if other beekeepers will respect them.

    I'd also recommend steering away from the tendency of some state bee associations of utilizing expensive hotels for week-long events, favoring instead High school auditoriums, college classrooms, woodshops, Grange halls, a campground, whatever is practical for the groups' size and purpose. Potlucks planned in advance is a great idea, though a bit of a challenge to the out-of-staters (KFC and/or pizza works, and there are other options - catering, even a cook-out).

    I'd also suggest a small steering group getting together to look at other organizations' constitution and by-laws, and trying to get a parliamentarian to help. He/she will clarify Constitution & by-laws issues, and help customize it to your organization. If a few people have had some exposure to formal Parliamentary procedure (Roberts' Rules of Order) it usually makes informal procedure go extremely smooth. This is not to start a backlash - I have seen it work and get AMAZING amounts of work accomplished in a single meeting. I've also seen very enthusiastic organizations accomplish ZERO due to inability to focus a meeting on an agenda (remember "Occupy Wall Street"? I'd VERY STRONGLY advise NOT using Green Party prodedure). No big thing if you don't want to do it, just floating an idea.

    I think that 2007 was indeed a good time to get started, so maybe 2015 is a good time to loosen the limitations and actually get started.

    In any case, good luck with it. Oops! Strike that...MAKE YOUR LUCK!
    Last edited by kilocharlie; 10-26-2015 at 09:44 PM.

  18. #78
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Quote Originally Posted by kilocharlie View Post
    While you're all at it, some friendly suggestions from Southern California

    The exclusive nature of the group's cause (and comparatively limited number of candidates for membership) has cost you several years (seemingly due to not enough members advanced far enough in breeding), so why not open it up to everyone, and have separate committees on areas / winter temperature groups / mite tolerance strains / queen raising vs. honeybee breeding, etc.?
    Well, the idea wasn't to make some kind of exclusive club. Too much of that already out there. But, why would a Florida breeding group have much to give to a North Dakota group. True?

    I floated this idea to see if there was any interest in forming a core group to come together and combine what we're doing in New England with queen breeding. Honestly, I didn't feel that there was enough interest among beekeepers, who had enough experience to form the group. Lots of folks would have liked to participate but almost no one with enough expertise to accomplish anything significant. I backed away because I didn't think anyone was ready. Perhaps things have changed. I also don't have the time to set up and run the group. I would still like to get something going, but it will take more than me and a couple others that are far enough along in their queen rearing and selection program to have such a group.

    Has there been a change? Are there enough keepers involved in stock improvement to justify the time required to set up such a group? I welcome any suggestions.

  19. #79
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    Default Re: New England Bee Breeders Association

    Mike I agree with you, I think different locales should develop their own breeding groups. Although I may not be quite there with the quality of my personal breeding stock like I was a few years ago, I think that if this were to happen we cannot just flip a switch and say, starting January 1st we are ready to go. I think there needs to be some questions that are answered first.
    1. How formal will this group be? Is it just a handful of people trading queens, or will there be a leadership group that would help to determine the structure?
    2. What criteria in your bees is needed to become a breeder. Does size of an apiary matter, does years of experience, production numbers etc?
    3. Is this a group with an end goal in mind of becoming treatment free or just trying to overwinter successfully?
    The questions and structure could go on and on, but initially I think what is needed is a list of names of people who are interested in participating. Participation may be as a breeder, as someone looking to help organize and lead the group. But Mike you are correct, we need to determine if there is interest in this idea at all, at any level. Although I am a year or two away from getting my stock back online to a point where I would feel comfortable breeding for this group, I do offer my help in getting this off the ground. For my living I run a successful business, so managing employees, leading, marketing, and structuring an operation in an organized manner are skills I bring to the table. But first we need interest. Mike, with your blessing, I am willing to take the first step and obtain a list of interested parties. Anyone interested please PM me with your name (not Beesource user name), where you live (town and State) and a little about your current operation and at what level of participation you would like to contribute . I think this would be step one. Thanks,
    -Dave

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