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  1. #1
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    I just got an email that Buckfast queens will be available from Davies Apiaries in Canada with a one time ship date of June 20th. Price is $17 each and a one time surcharge of $5 postage if less than 10 are ordered.

    I need about 5 queens and would be interested in seeing if anyone else in the North Alabama/Mississippi area would be interested in ordering a few at the same time. It looks like a larger order will be easier to handle as compared to several smaller ones.

    Fusion

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    Have they overcome the border difficulties? I thought there was too much red tape to ship queens into the US?
    Todd Zeiner

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    TZ,

    Yes, but its very limited. Geoff will be doing one and only one shipment to the USA this year. He is setting aside a few hundred queens for this. He will be inspected just prior to the shipment. There will be significant new paperwork to complete on his end. The queens will have to be delivered to the port of entry along with all documentation.

    Fusion

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    Just in case anyone is interested, here is the email I got from Davies and also his email address.

    davapi@kos.net

    We have an update on the shipping protocol for queen honeybees.

    It appears that we will be able to ship one shipment across on June 20th 2005. The current price is $17.00 (US) There is an additional $5.00
    shipping fee for orders less than 10 queens (USPS). If you require UPS please inquire for prices.

    We have been booking orders for Canadian customers, but I have saved a number of queens for this date (June 20th) for our American customers that have contacted me previously. Currently Canadian inquiries are being booked for July so please contact me promptly so I can fill the remaining June 20th order with sales in Canada.

    Thank-you
    Geoff Wilson

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    Is anyone from the Northwest getting any of the Buckfasts Queens? I'd like to get a couple, but would like to combine an order.

    Pugs

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    If the Canadian's can ship Queen's to the US,Can we ship Queen's from the US to Canada?

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    Yes, Mark I believe US queens can go to Canada. I'm not sure what the regs are. It sounds like the regs for Canadain Queens to come here are more strict that the ones for US queens to go to Canada.

    There is a letter to the editor in current Bee Culture mag about the problems.

    Pugs

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    > It sounds like the regs for Canadain Queens to
    > come here are more strict that the ones for US
    > queens to go to Canada.

    This is not a "choice". The regulations are
    dictated by the WTO agreements, which dictate
    "equal treatment" for all imports.

    I expect that Canada will have very, very similar
    requirements to the US requirements soon, as they
    must treat bees from the US the same as they treat
    bees from NZ and Australia.

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    Does davies apiaries have an Email address?
    Thanks Rich

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    > The real deal
    > http://www.beeworks.com/Borderclosure.htm

    No, not "the real deal at all"!
    Those are the uninformed rantings of someone
    who just doesn't get it, not even at the level
    of "who did what to who".

    Its a funny story really - Canada created this
    problem itself, which might otherwise not exist.

    When Canada banned US bees, this created an
    opportunity for NZ and Australian bee producers,
    who built up an export business on bulk sales
    to Canada. Without Canada's business, they likely
    would not have ever had the revenues required
    to "go big time".

    When the WTO agreements were drafted, the US
    could no longer ignore the whining of NZ and
    Australia about the US not allowing them to
    sell bees to US beekeepers. The WTO simply
    does not allow a country to say "no".

    So, the US had to come up with consistent rules
    that had to be applied to ALL exporters, which
    means that the US cannot show "favoritism" to
    Canada, even though there is much, much less
    actual risk of Canada harboring bee diseases or
    pests. The WTO forces this "even-handed" treatment
    of all exporters.

    So, Canadian bee producers must do more paperwork
    to export bees to the US as a direct result of
    the Canadian ban on US bees, which lasted for
    17 years.

    The plea that US beekeepers talk to their
    elected representatives is silly. Aside from
    asking them to introduce a bill to pull the USA
    out of the entire set of WTO treaties, what would
    he expect us to ask THEM to do? We can't draft a
    law that would violate the WTO treaties.

    And "congressmen" would be the last people to
    speak with or write to with about this. The
    Executive Branch (the President) negotiates
    treaties, and the Senate ratifies them.
    Congress really has nothing to say about treaties
    like WTO, NAFTA, etc. This "separation of powers"
    is a very basic set of checks-and-balances in our
    Constitution.

    ...and people say that there is no "karma"!
    Looks to me like what goes around DOES come around.

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    >>Mark I believe US queens can go to Canada. I'm not sure what the regs are.

    Its a 30$ or 50$ permit ( forget really but in that ball park), depending on if it is a one time or multiple importation of queens.

    I havent applyed for one yet

    Just a little nervious having to invest alot of money into buying US queens, and have them sit on the boarder due to unseen delays. A qualified CFIA vet has to inspect each queen shippment before access is granted. And if the shippment of queens happens to delay, lets say on a thrusday/friday, into the weeks end. My queens might sit in the office till monday, or be inspected on a CFIA vets overtime bill.
    Maybe I am being nieve and over exagerating myself, but I am going to wait to see how things are handled at the boarder for a couple of years before I consider it
    Ian Steppler >> Canadian Beekeeper's Blog
    www.stepplerfarms.com

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    > A qualified CFIA vet has to inspect each queen
    > shipment...

    This is far more sensible than the usual approach
    under WTO rules, where all that need be done is
    to CLAIM that your bees were inspected and found
    to be free of specific diseases and pests, or
    worse yet, make the shipment with only minimal
    claims about specific diseases and pests that
    would prevent the shipment from being admitted.

    Inspection (rather than mere certification)
    is what the UK and EU do, so I see no reason
    why the US could not also do it. Canada
    certainly seems to think that they can "get away"
    with it, but the USDA APHIS folks are afraid
    that NZ and Australia would file complaints
    if the US implemented point-of-entry inspections.

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