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  1. #1
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    whats the differance between a carniolan and a NWC?

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    NWC is New World Carniolan. They are just Carniolans that have been bred here in North America for a long time. They probably have some small amount of other genetics mixed in and evened out. They are vigorous, productive, healthy bees from my experience. They are from a particular breeding project. They are called that to differentiate from pure Carniolans from Europe.

    Carniolans. Good chance they aren't that different from the NWC's. But they might be. These could be recent imports or they could be the same basic stock as the NWC's. Same basic traits.

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    yup i know what a NWC im just wondering if there is a differance between the two?

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    Plain label Carnis are just the ones that "went to Junior college instead of the big university". All the same basic genetics, but the NWC had some sepcific things they bred for. If they don't say they just aren't officially part of the NWC breeding program. That doesn't mean they are or aren't offspring from those bees.

    You just don't know. I've bought "plain" carnis and they were excellent. I'm buying 10 more this Friday.

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    Here's an explaination:
    http://www174.pair.com/birdland/Breeding/Program.html

    I am very very happy with NWCs, and hence,
    very very very fond of the ground upon which
    Sue Cobey walks.

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    I have requeened all my hives with NWC, except the ferals.

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    Another benefit of Carnolian stocks is their beauty. I find them very beautiful.

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    Scot

    I share the same sentiment. I had the privilege of breeding NWC in CA for 4 years, and they truly are beautiful bees.

    Today my Carniolan breeders are arriving from Tom Glen, and I am really excited about working with these lovely ladies again.


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    [This message has been edited by Rob Mountain (edited April 25, 2004).]

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    How did you manage to get NWC stock from Glenn?? I specifically inquired & all I could manage was a Carnolian or a Smart Carnolian (SMR x Carnolian).

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    Naturally Mated NWC Production Queens, reared from Instrumentally Inseminated, Tested, NWC Mother Queens are available from the Queen Producers listed here. Please contact them directly for availability and prices:

    Valeri Severson
    Strachan Apiaries, Inc.
    2522 Tierra Buena Rd.
    Yuba City, Ca 95991
    Tel. (530) 674-3881
    Fax (530) 674-5802
    E mail: strabees@jps.net www.strachanbees.com

    Pat Heitkam
    Heitkams' Honey Bees
    25815 Post Ave
    Orland, Ca. 95963
    Tel. (530) 865-9562
    Fax (530) 865-7839
    E mail: russell.heitkam@gte.net

    Rick Schubert
    Bee Happy Apiaries
    8307 Quail Canyon Rd.
    Vacaville, Ca 95688
    Tel. (530) 795-2124
    Cell 530-681-0101
    Gus Rouse
    Kona Queen Hawaii
    P.O. Bx 768
    Captain Cook, HI 96704
    Tel (808) 328-9016
    Fax (808) 328-9460
    E mail: queenbee@aloha.net www.konaqueen.com

    Ken Friesen
    Friesen Honey Farms
    8099 Rd. 29
    Glenn, Ca. 95943
    Tel. (530) 934-4944
    Fax (530)934-8311

    David Powell
    Powell Apiaries
    4140 Country Rd KK
    Orland. Ca. 95963
    Tel. (530) 865-3346
    Fax (530) 865-3043

    Leonard Pankratz
    CAN-AM Apiaries
    450 3rd Ave.
    Orland, Ca. 95963
    Tel. 1-800-228-2516
    E mail: lpank@glenn-co.k12.ca.us

    Tom Glenn does not sell NWC.





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