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  1. #1
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    I've hardly seen any discussion on apitherapy on this board. Why is that do you suppose? I'd be willing to create a separate forum for it but not sure anything would happen. Are there lurkers out there that would enter into discussion should this new forum happen? Anyone with firsthand experience with apitherapy?

    - Barry

    [size="1"][ January 23, 2007, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Barry ][/size]
    Regards, Barry

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    Barry

    I have no expereience but have an interest. Would like to see it happen. Have a friend in lots of pain and nothing else seems to have done much good so far.

    Ray
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    I had a problem with my neck a year and a half ago that got to the point that I would sting myself (with a bee).

    It gave a relief that lasted for a few days. I worked myself up to three stings in that area and the relief would last for a little over a week. The problem cleared up after about four months. I can not say what finally caused the healing, different pillow, sleeping habits, etc.

    Once the neck stopped tensing up it seemed to relax to the point that it finally realigned and the pain went away.
    Bullseye Bill in The Scenic Flint Hills , KS
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    My concerns are liability. Is any level of
    training required?? Who is responsible if
    a "patient" goes into anaphylactic shock??

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    I use 6 stings about every 6 weeks for back pain. I have 3 degenerated discs. Started with 6 stings per week, 3 years ago. Have used stings for 30 yrs for calcium deposits in joints.

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    I have used honey on a skin rash and it stops the itching and seems to help clear it up. Apply a small amount 2 or 3 time a day.

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    I'm interested in the idea of apitherapy, but know virtually nothing and would not have anything to contribute to a separate forum. I have used honey on wounds (there are several threads on this in "Everything Honey") but I'm not sure that is what you mean.
    “The keeping of bees is like the direction of sunbeams.” -Henry David Thoreau

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    I'm with Bruce on this one. I have thought about it then I think what if they find out they are allergic to bees during a session and worse its a child. Or any number of problems, what if the courts say we are administering health care.
    ;) Good Day Craig W.<br /><a href=\"http://www.weaversproduce.mysite.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.weaversproduce.mysite.com</a>

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    I fell of a ledge while skirting a difficult path in the fall of 1994 with a chainsaw in one hand and a splitting maul in the other. I ended up on the table 3 weeks later with a neurosurgeon trying to undo what I did. After the surgery I was told all the things I would never do, including ride 8 hours a day in a vehicle, have feeling in the toes on my left foot, lift bee hives etc. etc. etc. The 1st 2 years were painful days and an hour or so waiting for painkillers like Codeine and Darvaset to kick in spent laying where I dropped when I tried do something I shouldn't. I read a study on Apitherapy that was done on back surgery patients, I think out of the University of Montanna. They found that people with conditions simlar to mine underwent apitherapy over a period of a couple of months. 80% of the respondents had incredible results with not further back problems over a period of 5 yrs with just the orginal treatments. 20% percent had to be retreated and most had continued success over a 10 year period.

    Shortly after that I went to one of Pat Wagners seminars and after sitting for an hour through the program in agony I agreed to give it a try. Took my 1st. 6 stings and within 15 minutes I had complete relief. My wife continued to administer Apitherapy (a little too zealously sometimes). Over the next year. My moments on the floor became brief, about 5-10 minutes after being stung I was back on my feet and in motion, with almost complete relief.

    My research on the subject told me this was why:

    1) Bee Venom, which has no medicinal value intself causes a reaction in the body which procduces the following effects.

    a) Body produces cortisol (the natural hydrocortisone) which is like getting the shot but much more effective.

    b) Also makes the body produce anti-inflamatories which treat the both the sting damage and everything else in the area.

    c) Body produces melotonin (I think that's the one) which helps to break down and/or soften scar tissue.

    13 years later I'm doing all the things I was told I wouldn't be and with very minimal problems. I need a round of therapy about every 2 years but the results for me have been quite remarkable.

    [size="1"][ January 24, 2007, 07:41 PM: Message edited by: Joel ][/size]

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    Wow...... Brutal Joel, sorry to hear of your
    misfortune. I am convinced by your experience
    and many I've read that it does indeed work.
    Enough so I am going to try it on my tennis
    elbow, a simple malady, but it sure can be
    debilitating at times.

    My concerns remain for doing it for others.

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    Apitherapy is videly used in Europe - especially eastern European countries - though not to any extent in the UK. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence for its effectiveness in certain conditions and I would welcome an Apitherapy section on the board where it can be discussed.
    The Barefoot Beekeeper http://www.biobees.com

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    I guess as long as the doctors and hospitals of the AMA and the drug manufacturers make so much money from pushing pills, they don't care about anything that is cheap and effective. After all,modern medicine is not about healing, it's about treating and getting insurance money. My wife has been treated for a chronic cough since August last year. Her GP and her Pulmonary Specialist were prescribing drugs and treatment that were in conflict with each other. They have diagnosed her ailment variously as allergies, asthma, chronic bronchitis and now COPD. I gave her some honey and vinegar which works for me(I prefer bourbon and honey), and it didn't faze her cough. I'll try some propolis and Everclear.

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    Beegee- After posting this morning I was inspired to get out the book I had bought and start rendering propolis. My husband had some in the freezer. According to the book, you want a 1:4 concentration of propolis:alcohol by weight. Put the propolis in a glass jar, pour the alcohol over it then put it in a dark warm place. Every day for 7 to 12 days shake the jar. At the end of that time period filter it. (You can use muslin or a coffee filter.) Then place the jar in the refrigerator "for a day or so," then filter again and store in a dark glass bottle. I had a limited amount of propolis and didn't want to use it all on the first experiment, so I used 62.5 grams of propolis to 250 grams of Everclear. I'll let you know in a few weeks how it turns out.
    Susan

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    Default Accupuncture points...

    I wonder if accupuncture points and apitherapy points might be the same in many cases. If so there is a lot of references to accupuncture points on the web and elsewhere.

    I still vote for a forum!

    Albert
    September 8th 2007 is National Beekeeping Day
    American Agriculture, its as close as the nearest Honeybee!

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    Two years ago I was raving about being pain free because of the bee stings. I ended up in the emergancy room with the beginings a anaphalxis toward the end of that year and became a much more careful beekeeper. As a result I had an extremely bad year with my back. This spring I have a really nasty hive that I won't get rid of because I took 80% losses this winter. They hit me about 25 times about four days ago so I popped some benadryl and still got more pain and swelling than I normally get. Guess what? I am now walking normal and getting out of bed without having to inch myself up. I just need to find some way to ballance the risk with the benifit.
    doug

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    Sierra,

    And I can't even goad my girls to sting me!

    I'm having some difficuty getting the girls to commit Hari-Kiri lately. Ever since I took the gloves and viel off, I haven't been stung. Tommorrow is my last chance for a week or two. I think I'm going to have to get drastic, and actually grab a few and make them sting me. I only wish I could get it someplace other than my hands!

    Regards,
    Albert
    September 8th 2007 is National Beekeeping Day
    American Agriculture, its as close as the nearest Honeybee!

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    Hey Albert, wait a few months. Maybe the AHB will make it easier tro get stung...Sorry, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
    Banjos and bees... how sweet it is!

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    Default jar application

    So if you've got a bee or two in the glass jar--why not just apply the opened end to the area you hope to sting? Holding one by the wings might cause too much comotion should she escape.

    And yes-balance between benefit and risk is a fine line. With the case of multiple stings.....best to work up to the final number slowly.

    Best of luck to those supplying bees.
    BBZZZZZ

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    Reyah Carlson
    1252 South Marshfield Road
    Bruner MO. 65620 417 278 0127

    This woman Spoke at the Oklahoma State meeting this Saturday very nice woman and very interested in helping people with ailments, She her self has MS and is doing good because of of apitherapy.

    http://www.reyahsbeesness.com

    http://www.apitherapy.org

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    Big Grin Reyah Stings me

    Quote Originally Posted by Velbert View Post
    Reyah Carlson
    1252 South Marshfield Road
    Bruner MO. 65620 417 278 0127

    This woman Spoke at the Oklahoma State meeting this Saturday very nice woman and very interested in helping people with ailments, She her self has MS and is doing good because of of apitherapy.

    http://www.reyahsbeesness.com

    http://www.apitherapy.org
    Reyah stings me and is very knowledgable(sp) I have MS and I am now living pain free after years of pain killers and muscle relaxers that make me a zombie. I now am able to actually have a life and enjoy myself. The reason BVT is not researched is like someone said follow the money trail. My meds were over 3000 a month that the Department of Veterans Affairs (aka you taxpayers) were paying for and i still had alot of pain. now I am pain free except for a bad day everyonce in awhile.
    2nd Year in Beekeeping

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