I haven't got my 3 hives going yet , got to wait for next spring but i had friend that is a older fellow that i work with was telling me he got a few hives going about 5 years back and his health got bad on him so he lost all his bees and havent got anymore sense, he said that i needed to come to his house and see if i wanted any of his bee equipment , so i did, and guest what i bought for $500.00 >>> a 18 frame radial extractor (kelly) that he bought 4 years ago and only used once, then was in the corner of his shop stored. it might take about 5 years before i can fill it up but thats my first bee equipment that i ever bought , my hives aint here yet . lol backwards ha !!!