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    Hello to our northern neighbors.

    We in the states have heard that you may be opening the borders to our queens and packages this spring. Have you heard anything? This may drive up our prices very high so it would by nice to have a heads up.

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    From: DeeALusby1@a...
    Date: Wed Oct 8, 2003 12:43 am
    Subject: BEE-L Post - Canada/US border to Open for Mainland Queens

    I Just had to forward this for reading to help bring others more up to date.

    Sincerely,

    Dee A. Lusby
    Commercial Beekeeper
    Tucson, Arizona

    Forwarded is:


    Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 14:24:30 -0600
    From: "allen dick" <allen@H...>
    Subject: [BEE-L] Canada/US border to Open for Mainland Queens
    To: BEE-L@l...


    The letter following this article has been circulating in
    Canada recently and may be of interest to BEE-L readers.

    Now that

    1. Both mites are widely distributed in Canada, and

    2. NAFTA, was signed a while back, committing Canada,
    the US, and Mexico to lowering trade restrictions, and

    3. Since, over the past decade and a half it has
    become obvious that cutting off trade with the US
    has been very harmful to many Canadian beekeepers,
    not to mention the southern beekeepers who lost a
    major portion of their package and queen business

    4. Powerful opposition to the ban is building in Canada

    5. Some US and Canadian beekeepers are complaining
    about favouritism shown to new Zealand and Australia
    even though NZ has varroa -- and has exported infested
    bees -- and AUS has SHB, and since Australia, moreover
    does not test exhaustively for varroa incursion, and since

    6. Beekeeping in most of Canada is very highly dependent on
    annual imports of stock from warmer regions

    7. US beekeepers have demonstrated that they are able to
    maintain healthy bees in spite of the mites.

    8. There is
    a. No evidence that AHB genes are not already in Canada
    b. No evidence that AHB has proven to be a public health
    menace in a developed temperate country as fear mongers
    had predicted

    At this point, there is little justification for maintaining an
    embargo on
    US mainland bees and CFIA is relaxing the ban on mainland queens and
    is
    re-examining the legitimacy of maintaining the package bee ban, and
    considering ways and timeframes to phase it out.

    I have dealt with the issue in several pages of my diary -- http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/ -- over the summer and
    editorialized on
    the question as well. For those interested, just start at the
    current page,
    and go back a few pages. (Sorry, but I have not isolated the border
    discussion from the background noise of my life chronicled there).

    At any rate, this is the time for any US parties who feel they have
    an
    interest in this matter to stand up and be counted. Many of us see
    no
    reason for any border controls on bees whatsoever, inasmuch as
    economic
    beekeeping in Canada is very highly dependent on annual imports of
    stock
    from warmer regions. Wide-open two-way trade could be very
    beneficial to
    beekeepers in both Canada and the US.

    Please write, fax and phone your position to the parties listed
    below and
    to the Canadian Honey Council http://www.honeycouncil.ca/ and to
    provincial
    organisations. Also your congressman, etc. Attend the upcoming
    Canadian
    meetings.

    allen

    --- begin quoted letter ---

    Subject: Importation of Honeybee Queens from Continental US

    The Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) is proposing to amend
    the
    current regulation that prohibits the importation of honeybees from
    the
    continental United States. The amendment will allow the importation
    of
    honeybee queens and their attendants from the continental U.S.
    Packaged bees
    will continue to be prohibited from importation.

    This action is being undertaken after CFIA was advised of major
    shortages
    of available queens in many provinces during the spring of 2003 and
    was
    requested to review Canada's import policies for honeybees. The risk
    assessment on the importation of U.S. bees also determined that the
    import
    of honeybee queens poses a lesser disease risk than packaged bees.

    The proposed amendment will not result in the uncontrolled entry of
    honeybee queens into Canada. The existing provisions of the Health of
    Animal
    Regulations require importation to occur with the use of an import
    permit.
    The conditions of the import permit will be further developed with
    industry
    and other stakeholders

    Could you please circulate this to the provincial apiculturists and
    regional industry associations. If there are comments or concerns at
    this
    time, I would ask that they be forwarded to Dr. Samira Belaissaoui,
    Staff
    Veterinarian, at belaissaouis@i... or by facsimile to
    (613)
    228-6630. I would also remind Canadian Stakeholders that they will
    have an
    opportunity to comment on the proposed amendment following its
    publication
    in the Canada Gazette I.

    Yours sincerely,

    Dr. Sarah Kahn, BVSc, MSc
    Deputy Chief Veterinary Officer and Director
    Animal Health and Production Division
    Tel: (613) 225-2342, Ext. 4602
    Fax: (613) 228-6631
    E-mail: kahns@i...
    http://www.honeybeeworld.com


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    It seems from what I've been able to read that the border can't open until Dec 2004 at the earliest.
    Here's a link wiht what seems to be good information. http://www.honeycouncil.ca/users/fol...?FolderID=1857

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    Now I'm confused.

    After reading the forum "Wonder if Dee still believes this?", I was under the impression that the border "just" opened with Canada. D. Lusby in her response dated Oct 21 2003, stated so.

    Now I read about asking parties to write those concerned with making such decisions and now A Devries says maybe not until Dec 2004.

    Its either opened already or its not. Can somebody else in the know clear this up.

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    In November's Bee Culture, there will be
    a statement from Heather Clay, who is
    very involved in the consideration of
    the "Canadian border" issue.

    Without stealing her thunder, I can say:

    1) The border is NOT yet "open".

    2) The ban is being "reconsidered",
    nothing more.

    My >>GUESS<< is that they will allow
    queens under an inspection protocol,
    but will hesitate to allow packages,
    since they are difficult to inspect
    for pests/diseases.

    While I agree that Canada needs an
    inspection protocol, it will be interesting
    to see if Canada is smart enough to realize
    that common sense AND "fair trade" requires
    them to apply the same inspection protocol
    to ALL imports, which would mean inspecting
    bees from NZ and Austrailia, which are currently imported without any formal inspection protocol.

    jim

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    Maybe I can make some daisy queens to send em...

    LOL

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    >>it will be interesting
    to see if Canada is smart enough to realize
    that common sense AND "fair trade" requires
    them to apply the same inspection protocol
    to ALL imports,

    Ya, and this coming from an American!! I will take that exact statment and reverse it right back at all American trade practices,

    Ian

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    Ian: You know of course that I have exactly as much control over "American" trade policies as you have over "Canadian" trade policies. I've always figured that of any country the Canadians are the best friends we've ever had. And except for that war we started back in the 1800's (Manifest Destiny was the in thing) where you kicked our butts, we've gotten along pretty well ever since.

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    Yes Micheal, but before he comments on Canada's sense of "fair trade" and our trade practices, he should look at his own countrys trade practices, and try not to sound like a hipracrit

    Ian

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    Yes Micheal, but he commented on Canada's sense of "fair trade" and our trade practices. He should look at his own countrys trade practices, and try not to sound like a hipracrit

    Ian

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