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  1. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Hi all

    I have tried to have a discussion on the aspects of varroa control and natural selection. By now it has digressed to cheap shots at me. Maybe the thread should have its name changed to...
  2. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    When I see stuff like this I ask myself, has this guy been following the thread? Or is he deliberately misunderstanding? Of course it's true that there is ample data showing untreated colonies die....
  3. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    There is ample data available to prove that untreated colonies die. I don't need to add to that body of work! Besides, what you say is wrong. I stepped forward, made some statements and invited all...
  4. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    I am not dismissing anything. It has nothing to do with references or credentials. I am pointing out that after 20 years, none of the so-called treatment free folks can produced documentation of what...
  5. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Right. Six years ago I wrote an article for the American Bee Journal called "Keeping bees without chemicals". I gave a talk on the subject that year to the Empire State Honey Producers Association. ...
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    Re: Keeping Africanized Bees or not

    Because discussing calmly is preferable to shouting and getting riled up. There is plenty to discuss, too.



    From:
    Justin O. SCHMIDT (2001) AFRICANISED BEES HAVE BEEN GOOD FOR PHEROMONE...
  7. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Now that the dust has settled, I would like to point out that nobody has offered any evidence that bees can survive without mite treatments and that mite resistant populations can develop on their...
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    Re: Keeping Africanized Bees or not

    OK, I will. I think there is good evidence that Africanized are much healthier than European bees. If you have out of the way spots, the more aggressive tendencies are really not that big of a deal....
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    Re: Keeping Africanized Bees or not

    Mr Bush and I agree on almost nothing but here we are in complete agreement. The issue is the behavior, not the pedigree. Bee are hybridized in the USA and south to the extent that there is almost no...
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    Re: Job transgenic bee

    Yes, and I have invented a method of producing unlimited energy for free. I would like to tell you more about it, but it is confidential and I am afraid you may try to steal my idea

    Sorry

    P
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    Re: Job transgenic bee

    I read through the posts and I doubt seriously you can do what you say. For starters, quoting Wikpedia instead of actual work done on gene modification in Apis. No mention of RNAi, or more...
  12. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Of course. In fact they issued a strongly worded rebuttal:




    Robert G Danka, Thomas E Rinderer, Marla Spivak and John Kefuss (2013) Journal of Apicultural Research 52(2): 69-71
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    Re: Bee Weaver Queens

    The issue is not whether the bees are workable. It is the impact on innocent parties that are in the vicinity. To keep bees in such a way that they sting and harass neighbors or passers-by is...
  14. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    If the debate appears endless it is because the problem is not yet solved.



    Journal of Apicultural Research 51(1): 125-132 (2012)
  15. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Fair enough, the conjecture was implicit, not spelled out. What was your purpose on posting that data, then?
  16. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Dear Mr. Bush

    For you to quote Marla Spivak in support of your conjecturing is utterly comical. She has come out strongly against the misguided notion that cell size controls varroa, has developed...
  17. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    "...a continuous range of behaviors and cell size measurements was noted between colonies considered "strongly European" and "strongly Africanized". "

    Michael Bush, you absolutely missed the...
  18. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    This kind of comment is completely unproductive. I started this thread to explore this topic, so the suggestion that I don't want to find it is utterly ridiculous. My sole interest in joining...
  19. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    So, European bees can't evolve sufficient resistance left on their own? What if I let them build their own comb?

    Speaking of cell size



    See
    Spivak (1989) Honey production by Africanized and...
  20. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Absolutely valid point. But I thought small cells prevents mite disease, regardless of the bee stock. Why would stock matter if small cell controls mites?
  21. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    Have you followed this conversation from the beginning? The theory is that European bees could develop resistance to mites. African and Asian bees already have it. There are documented examples of...
  22. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    The Russians are known for their liberal use of chemicals, Chinese too. I have heard there are small pockets of treatment free beekeepers everywhere, but this may be thanks to the fact that those...
  23. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    I meant to contrast these from each other. Einstein was wrong to cling to belief, and were he alive I am pretty sure he would say so.
  24. Re: Order of Pollen Flow in NY State/Northeast. Is there a list from April to October

    Hi there Ithaca!
    I have been doing a slide show on the local plants of Ithaca area. These are the plants I show, although in this list I don't distinguish between the nectar and pollen plants. Some,...
  25. Re: I think we're barking up the wrong tree,

    I would respectfully submit that you and I do not and will never agree on anything. By the way, Einstein refused to change his mind as needed to accommodate new ideas. "I shall never believe that God...
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