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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    So did you write that comment letter yet?

    Oh wait......
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Developing a standard so that the Chinese can't flood the US market with "honey" that is cut with rice syrup and contaminated with melamine. That's not a good thing?
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    Re: Sulfur water for making syrup?

    Have the water tested for sulfate. If it is below 250 mg/L it is safe for you and safe for bees.
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    Re: How are nucs made?

    I never understood how you overwinter nucs. Do you add 5-frame supers on top of the brood box to get them through the winter? Also, if they get too crowded wont they swarm?
  5. Thread: Dying swarm.

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    Re: Dying swarm.

    Spraying it didnt work fast enoughso they call a beekeeper.
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    YEAH!!! Sombody gets it!
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Right, and how hard is it to make a stock solution with known concentrations? Labs do this all the time for matrix spike (MS) and matrix spike duplicates (MSD). The MS samples are used to evaluate...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Calibration and accuracy can be determined by any number of QC methods. Sample dupes, trip blanks, maxtrix spikes, matrix spike dupilcates, and percent recovery, among others. The list goes on and...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    No, it isn't.

    yes it is. If you open up an independant lab to test for anything, your are held to certifications, QC, QA, documentation, liability, and goverment scrunity; including lab...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    So is it the same as any other analytical testing that is done by an outside lab.
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    On March 8, 2006, the American Beekeeping Federation and several other honey-related associations submitted a citizen petition requesting that FDA adopt a U.S. standard of identity for honey based on...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    So what is the proper course?

    Scrap the guidance all together?

    Revise the guidance to include testing goals that are currently unobtainable?

    Deknow, if you were to write a comment letter,...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Your beef is with the current state of testing, which really has nothing to do with the guidance per se.

    The purpose of the guidance is to "advise firms on the proper labeling of honey and honey...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    So why does that make the guidance itself bad? Somebody in a related thead said there was a very expensive way to test, but it costs so much even the big guys dont want it. Eventually somebody...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Ah, a classic miss-comprende on my part. When you said the little guys get no attention, I thought you were refering to the FDA catering to the big guys and not listening to the little guys.
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Mark,

    What do you see in the draft guidance that hurts the little guy?
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Yes, guidelines are not mandatory, until there are referenced in law. The law part wont happen for years down the road. Reuter's didnt mention that for a few reasons that I can think of: it is an...
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    Re: Well, I blew it. Now what?

    One of my first swarms did exactly what your picture shows. Plus a second ball of bees was hanging low in a nearby tree. I shook the ball from the tree limb into a box. Then I went after the bees...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    So Ace, are you going to write a comment letter?




    cg3 - I just realized your signature tag and had to google it. Good one!:lpf:
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    You guys couldn’t be more wrong. The final guidance gets written into law. That’s why you see nutrition and ingredients labeling on all manufactured food products. Do you think those labels appearing...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    As I mentioned earlier, they are not at the enforcement stage right now and they don’t need any numbers to start the labeling guidance process.

    The definition of how honey purity is defined or...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    B..b..but, they wont listen to me, so I am not going to comment. Waaah, Waaah, Waaah! :cry:

    As usual, you don’t understand what the FDA guidance is, or how it works. It has absolutely nothing to...
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    You could draft one letter for several people to sign if you could get enough people on Beesource to agree......

    Oh wait....:rolleyes:
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    Re: FDA ruling it the works?

    Exactly. Everyone on BeeSource keeps whining and complaining about honey labeling, or lack thereof. Government is trying to do something so now is the time to step up and be heard. People can be...
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    Re: FDA rules on honey - April 8, 2014

    No it does mean something. This is exactly how the process works. Draft guidance, 60-day comment period, final guidance, then entry into the FDA Food Code.

    It also says:
    Although you can...
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